Rayvin

As I think I said a few days ago - what the fuck is Tesla doing letting him run around like this man This cannot possibly be good for their brand.

That is a good shout mind. Moyes back at Everton would probably be exactly what they need. And it would wind up their fans.

My dad is an Everton fan. And I bet if I texted him right now, despite those 174 times, he'd not have remembered that either.

Yes, I think in heart of hearts, I'm going to be right there with you.

Arteta played for Everton?? So much is explained now...

I hope Howe ends up as a Ferguson esque manager for us tbh. I hope he's here most of his career. Results have to be good, he eventually has to win things, but honestly wouldn't it be great if he went the distance with the club.

Aye, really enjoyed that. Love seeing Howe get praise as well - the level of insight "armchair" fans are able to give on this stuff these days is far beyond what they're paying the pundits for tbh.

Can't even remember who he managed now

Aye but that's sort of what I mean, you'd think he'd turn his nose up at them.

Only at Arsenal, his 'home' club, is he going to get 5 years and £800m spending, while failing to deliver any trophies. No other club in the top ten is going to touch that level of failure. There's no evidence that he can really build a team and he has had ample time to do so. Every single year, Arsenal look like the same team they've been for the past two decades, give or take some temporary form periods. They are still soft as shite, they are still mentally weak, and they are still ponderous. All Arteta seems to have done this year is hire a set piece coach to give the team a new dimension which, according to their fans and even Walcott, they've leaned into so much that they've forgotten all the other things they did well. I would say Saka has more to do with their performance over the past two or three years than Arteta. That said - not being able to cut top ten in the premier league doesn't make him a bad manager. It just means he's not a very good one. I would say maybe Man Utd would take him but then they're not top ten anymore. EDIT - my bad, seems he won an FA cup 5 years ago. Before he'd had the time to 'build his team'.

When the Arsenal gig goes wrong, will Arteta work in the PL again? I'd say no. The top ten wouldn't have him, and the bottom ten would be 'beneath' him. He'll go back to Spain, beneath the top two big teams and probably end up with some midtable side. Maybe Italy at a push. The guy just doesn't have it.

"I will take all the shit for you guys again, eh?" Has he ever actually done that.

Yep. I mean in Arteta's case, they were talking before the game about how there is a rivalry between him and Howe. No there fucking isn't man, there's a rivalry on Arteta's side for sure, but to imagine that Howe gives the guy any more thought than any other manager is nonsense. So in this case, while I totally agree with the Leeds point, I would also say that Arteta himself psychologically hinders his team in this fixture because he has no chill whatsoever, and because his players will know how much getting shown up by us bothers him. The reality is Howe cooked him alive with a perfectly executed gameplan that Arteta didn't anticipate. He did not expect us to attack them. He had no answer for it. That should have been his post match interview. That might have relieved some pressure on his players. "Yeah we played well but I failed to anticipate that Newcastle would attack us so willingly, we don't see that very often at home and it's something I will definitely be more aware of in future." How fucking hard would that have been.

Was reading their forums and it was enjoyable stuff tbh. Highlights: 1 - Arteta is finished. 2 - Havertz is a joke. 3 - They need Isak. 4 - They hate Gordon, but they want to sign him too. 5 - One of them is 17 stone and could beat up Joelinton. 6 - They were hugely insulted when we subbed Isak off and thought Howe was dissing Arteta. 7 - They think Odegard is finished because he's now a father. 8 - Some of them did admit they played well but that we were better with our gameplan. That if they play like that at the weekend, they beat Man Utd. 9 - They are literally Stoke but not as good at it. Some oddly self aware takes mixed with some weirdness

This. Mass social media exodus would probably do a lot of people the world of good anyway.

I reckon they got to 2nd by people playing defensively against them and thinking they're a lot better than they are.

He's absolutely one of these people who just cannot be graceful in defeat. Basically puts our goals down to chaos, deflections and luck, while his own team were comfortably the ones deserving of the win apparently. Absolute fucking weapon of a man. Deserves all the failure he delivers.

He'd be a terrible fit for them tbh. Reckon he's just looked at the league and picked them at random. Heavily pro Labour city and fanbase, owned by that bellend Not sure about that one.

Aye that was an impressive interview indeed. All about his team, downplayed his own goal and heaped praise on Isak. Really impressive because reality is, he's a very important player to us too.

Absolutely superb. We can beat fucking anyone on our day tbh. We're coached better than 95% of the league, and we have very good players.

GET THE FUCK IN MAANNNNNNN

I'm watching this on Sky/Now and they've honestly been pretty positive about us

Aye but they changed that, Arteta now has them operating as an homage to us

Would say they need 3-1 to make this a bad result for us now mind.

Good half tbf. We look really professional these days, all over the pitch.