Rayvin

She seems to have a deeply held philosophical belief that this is ok. It's really quite amazing.

Sunderland losing to their local rivals. Local in terms of stature anyway.

The Tories aren't getting back into power though once Truss calls this GE, whether now or in 2 years.

Thank god we got to see the back of Patel at least. May she never be anywhere near the front benches ever again.

Think we need the win here really to avoid losing momentum - They've had a rough start but still a decent team. We're definitely capable if we can just put our chances away.

We are going to be paying for the mistake of ever electing the Tories for the rest of our goddamn lives. Once out of power, the party should be investigated for criminal negligence over the economy and shut the fuck down. It's not even about a difference of opinion anymore, they have ruined everything. Everything they have touched has gone to shit. Yes some of these causes are global in nature but they have left the country so frail and poorly disposed to deal with them because of their self indulgent, corrupt bullshit. We cannot afford to have the Tories in government ever again, they are dangerously incompetent. I think I'm at the stage where I'd join in if there was a move to forcibly remove them from power. We cannot afford any more of their incompetence, we really can't. Cretins like Truss pulling £100bn out of her arse for fucks sake, shit like that has consequences that span decades. I have zero trust in the money being used well or in anything like an optimal way. I have every expectation that we will be forced once again under the Conservatives to accept a lifetime of lower living standards just to indulge these venomous weapons. May they all burn in hell, along with everyone who votes for them from this point forward. Ignorance isn't an excuse anymore.

I still don't think we're quite arguing the same thing here. In terms of outcomes, you're saying you want to go back to a system that would have seen us unfairly penalised 3 times already this season, with the argument being what, this is somehow more consistent and balanced out? VAR needs to be operated correctly, and should not be subject to errors. Totally agree. It's being mishandled in its application clearly. But that's the same issue we have without it, rules being mishandled by human error. So this is what I'm struggling with I guess, I get (and share) the fury over the decision, but how can we argue that the alternative would be an improvement? It makes no sense. The correct argument to have is to demand higher standards for the use of it.

Agree but I just mean that without it, those decisions go against us. I know it got it right rather than doing us a favour, but that's the point really. 3 decisions which it turned around for us to get a justified outcome, that we otherwise wouldn't have had.

It has helped us a lot this season too mind, overturning decisions that would have hurt us. I think that issue at Palace was just incompetence on the part of whoever was officiating it rather than the system itself.

Not quite followed this but what has gone wrong for Leicester exactly? Can't just be Fofana since they only lost him a week ago and they've been dire all season. We might have another chance for Maddison in January if they keep on like this.

This is what he's going to point to as evidence of him being "balanced" the next time he's carrying on like a bellend.

Aye, supporters of Schalke are going to wake up soon to find they've actually been in a previously unknown but deeply intense 30-40 year relationship with Sunderland based on a Schalke fan once having a pint with a mackem who he probably mistook for a Stoke supporter.

Also had no idea about this, but will start paying more attention to Schalke from now on

I always think there's another really significant distinction between the way we talk about them and the way they talk about us though - mostly their threads are discussing NUFC itself, so the club, its results, etc. Their focus and obsession is Newcastle. This thread is discussing their obsession with us, not so much Sunderland itself. Most of their games don't even get a mention on here. We don't talk about their players unless they turn out to be paedos, and only talk about the club directly if its doing something hilarious. If you took out all the discussion in this thread about their obsession with us, I doubt it beats 200 pages in full, even over however many years. None of their threads are focused on what we think about them, it's all directed fully at the club itself. That is the purity of their devotion to NUFC. This thread is schadenfraude, their's is a jealous love letter.

It's going to be a top ten consolidation season, not a European push. Which was all it was ever going to be really unless some absolute gems became available at quite low prices on the transfer market. We're a good team, the players all try, the system is great, I can't really fault any of them for effort - but we just don't have the depth to make sure we always have quality to cover when the key men are out. It's fine though, we'll improve. The thing that should really be satisfying to us at this stage is that the system of play works. It really does. The players have bought into it, and I think at this point we've been consistently good for about half a season, maybe more. That's not a flash in the pan or a purple patch, it's just the level we have now. It's been a great start for both Howe and the new owners. We just need to be patient.

I see we're laying the groundwork for a Miggy goal and assist today, nice one lads.

Maybe he's counting the one that will be wrongly ruled offside as well.

Tbh no, I was referring more to his handling of the questions and the sorts of responses he was giving, rather than the words chosen Wouldn't be drawn on anything around expectations for the season or setting himself up for failure.

Aye that interviewer is painful - I get that this is soft PR stuff but howay man, you can be a bit more real. EDIT - seems like an intelligent lad to me.

Also like the sentiment that we need to "get back to" kindness and compassion. Don't recall those being particularly strong sentiments in my reading of human history tbh. But aye, that is fake as hell

True but tbf I don't think he came out of that looking like the bitch

Also done.

I think it's Sunderland kind of by default but if this question was asked in 2 years time I think it could be someone else. Sunderland are nothing now.

His whole feed is talking about "our team" from a Liverpool perspective. He's one of them, not us. Don't think we're remotely on his radar tbh. Be interesting to see what happens when we're ahead of them.

Not quite sure I follow, I thought Caulkin was one of the good guys?