Renton

And talking of Coffey earlier, good to know the NHS is safe in her hands.

Max Hastings is spot on. I remember when people like him were the enemy. Doesn't feel like that any more.

It's ALWAYS someone elses fault with this lot of cunts. Which has culminated in the ridiculous notion of the coalition of anti-growth, which now includes the markets themselves, and is basically anybody who doesn't agree with the batshit Truss. I'm glad were nearing the end game now.

Just catching up here but fucking hell man. What the fuck is the point in democracy if people aren't provided with the factual information they need and instead are subjected to propaganda from Putin's sock puppets? The fact the actual votes are correctly counted in that context is irrelevant. You know what, that gives the illusion of democracy but instead is the exact opposite. I'd honestly prefer not having democracy under these circumstances.

Therese Coffey's sweaty gusset. Thee's another name for a band, right there. Mmmmm.

I've found it a bit boring tbh, I don't think it compares well with the first 5 series of GoT at all. Changing the actors constantly is confusuing, as is the fact the dragon lass's children all have brown hair (as she's been shagging around) but the queen consort's kids all have platinum hair despite the fact she is a brunette. 9 hours in and it feels fuck all has happened. Watching "The Bear" on Disney, about a chef in Chicago. It's got rave reviews but I'm not feeling that yet either. Hopefully will pick up the pace.

Wondered where to put this, absolutely weird moon tonight in Tynemouth, looked like Mars had left its orbit and was where the moon should be. I'm sure someone into photography could have got some amazing shots. Moonrise Mars?

Is that true, I'm not sure they would have ever anticipated a situation as mental as this. But I think the much bigger issue is despensing of the membership votes. I suppose Brown was coronated but in a much more benign way. And he should really have held a GE to confirm hiis mandate (which would have been before the financial crash, so another sliding door moment).

Looks like we might find out soon anyway.

I think the hope would be Sunak would get them into triple figures. Because if they continue down the road they are with yet another unelected leader, against a backdrop of failing pensions and home repossessions, they sure as hell are getting battered every day in the media from now on and will ultimately implode anyway.

Problem with option 3 is it completely fucks the country. But you're right, this isn't the conservative party now, it's been taken over by the lunatics and I can't see a way back from that. Thank fuck Labour escaped the clutches of Momentum, just in time by the looks of it.

No, but it would be pretty disastrous not to, especially given the economic shit coming their way (even if the markets settle). I just don't think the populace would accept it.

They wouldn't expect to, it would be damage limitation with regrouping for a stab at 2027. The problem for them is, the other option, keeping Truss, looks like an existential threat for the party at this stage, with them being annihilated further down the road.

So rumuors are the cunts are thinking of changing the leadership to a Sunak/Mordaunt team, don't know if that is a job share or Mordaunt would be deputy! Would bypass the party membership and parliamentary selction stages. Doesn't sound very democratic, so presumably would need an immediate GE. Basically, what @Gemmill suggested yesterday. At this stage it might be the least disastrous option.

My context for saying this is that what should not be tolerated in a democracy is out-right factual lies, such as "we will be £350 million a week better off" or posters of queues of brown people (knowing full well the refugee crisis is fuck all to do with immigration from the EU). If you want to argue that you don't want FoM for reasons of "sovereignty" then fine but you should not be allowed to lie about the huge economic disbenefits this brings the country, and the fact that it will mean you can't retire in Spain. Lies kill society, it's what caused the collapse of the Soviet Union, it's what is causing the destruction of Russia and Ukraine. And left unchecked, it will kill the UK.

Not quite true. There are positive truths, which are absolute (within the bounds of uncertainty). And there are normative truths, which are opnion. It's the misrepresentation of the former I have an issue with (as I suspect you do).

So it's alright to eat cows cos they are thick as fuck? 😉 See I maintain we need to eat livestock or they would effectively go extinct and our countryside would be transformed into a monotinous arable wasteland. There is also a school of thought saying it's in the animals interest, from an evolutionary pov. You could extend this to horses and pets as well. So as long as the welfare of animals is a high priority, I am okay weith eating them. But it is a very inefficient way of getting nutrition and is clearly damaging the planet. Meat, and probably dairy, should be more of a luxury.

I don't think I could ever give up cheese. Could probably give up meat if I tried and certainly have cut back. Being a virgin from now onwards is proving pretty easy.

Did democracy stop that day? Given the huge spectrum of leave options, from shit to catastrophic (the option we ended up with), was that democratic? Were the constant lies and labelling of Project Fear democratic? The targeting of individual demographics on social media? The rule breaking in funding, which had it not been an advisory vote, would have annulled the result? The Putin influence. The disregard of Scotland and NI. Don't fucking tell me it was democratic, and don't tell me the people behind it didn't know exactly what they were doing.

We're speculating Truss's successor won't be voted in the membership, aren't we?

Not survivable.

Given the people behind it, yes, Brexit had to be as hard as possible. There were no good Brexits, just varying degrees of shit, and we ended up with number 1 on the Bristol stool chart. Our anus will hurt for a long time.

He was selected for his Brexit credentials wasn't he? I would say there are no competent economists who thought Brexit was a good idea from an economic pov. Given his position now, it is shit like giving him the top job rather than a rationalist that is the problem imo.

So what does that mean in practice for Jones? That every penny he earns will be taken from him and he will die in penury in a bed sit? Here's hoping.