Renton

It took a global externality and some bad luck though. Of course, these are almost guaranteed in the scheme of things, now more than ever. Other than that I fully agree with both you and Scoobos here.

Good point.

This extreme liberatarianism she (Truss) is pushing is something else like. We're not the US, it won't work here. Edit: I've just let it sink in COffey is the health secretary. Can you imagine if we had had these nutters two years ago? They actually make Johnson look good.

They've completely abandoned the cenrtre ground and the notion of one nation conservatism. All the "decent" tories have been expelled. The centre ground is there for Labour to take, and as long as they don't mutate like the tories did, stay there.

Maybe but there is a tipping point where this just will not be feasible. If they go down to double figures in MPs (very possible imo) they'll not be able to come back from that.

With the intention on blaming Labour next term you mean? I don't think that will work, they've fucked things up too early in plain sight.

Doubling down still until the inevitable U turn. Continuing on with the "coalition of anti-growth" rhubarb. This would be hilarious were it not for the damage its doing the country.

Of course no PM can survive losing their chancellor in this way, Truss is fucked. The sooner she fucks off, the better.

My guess, he seemed to really enjoy his 2 weeks of being Chancellor over the summer.

That's rubbish, because we'll have loads of growth, growth, growth and the economic pie would become huge if only doubters like you would start believing.

Surely a U turn on this magnitude has to end the government now? They are clearly not able to govern.

No, Harman! I'll be honest, my memory of this time is hazy and I'd reather just forget anyway.

Yeah, he was just another posh boy playing with the country ultimately. As much a shit house as @The Fish. But Brexit was well and truly downstream of this. Just looked back though on wiki and what I had forgotten was Labour had committed themselves to a referendum on Europe as well and Parliament over-whelmingly voted for it, with only the SNP opposing. As soon as Cameron put it on the manifesto the course was set.

I don't think it was really viable though, stability wise, and it was arguably undemocratic. But that's yet again a symptom of the system which isn't fit for purpose.

Brown was a better man than Blair. He had to contend with the financial crash and a dodgy mic though. Labour under Ed Miliband didn't have the numbers to make a coalition with Clegg. Clegg did get the AV vote through which was better than nothing, but then, the English electorrate.

No, we wouldn't have had a referendum if David Miliband had won the leader of Labour. The scenario would have never happened. But if it did, I still believe Labour under Miliband would have had enough for Remain to win. Corbyn was an assest for Leave.

Let's just agree and blame Fish, the Pimm's drinking shit house twat.

Very possibly. In an alternate Universe the UK is still a great place I reckon.

I choose the Miliband bros sliding door though as that was an active choice driven by ego on behalf of Ed and a calamitous mistake from the unions.

Brexit was won by a very fine margin. An effective Labour leader with universal appeal could easily have tipped that balance. And that's discounting the fact that we wouldn't have even had a referendum anyway imo. Alex is right though, go further back and the actual moment is a mic accidentally left on. Crazy when you think about it.

I always go 1 step back and think the moment was when Ed stabbed David in the back. I'm sure David would have won enough to form a coalition. But even if he didn't he wouldn't have let the 3 quid momentum crew in to elect Corbyn. Without Corbyn, no Brexit. Thing is it took one hell of an odd string of events to get us where we are. But here we are anyway.

Cameron promised to have cleared the national debt by 2015. He didn't, he doubled it. Alarm bells should have rung. But the media was more interested in Milibands ability to eat a bacon sandwich.

Actually tbf to the BBC its almost impossible to keep up with all the bat shit coming from the tories direction. I think I have noticed a swing towards Labour in reporting since Truss was "elected". Certainly none of the media is showing her any respect.

Remember that fact check website that was in fact a fake fact check written by CHHQ? https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/19/tories-tweet-anti-labour-posts-under-factcheckuk-brand And btw, I see the BBC have been somewhat obsessed in reporting what Sturgeon said about detesting tories. What's wrong with that? I detest the cunts. Yet barely a squeak was made by the organisation when Braverman was positively frothing about the prospect of plane loads of refugess being sent to Rwanda on christmas day. These cunts' constant lies have destroyed this country, this is one narrative I have been banging on about since the Brexit referendum. I think we may need to collapse completely before we can begin to rebuild. We'll be in good company with Russia. We both been gaslit to oblivion.

I'm taking it your round includes a retirement home for geriatric porn stars?