Dr Gloom

Their ground is the biggest hovel I've ever been to and I say that as a traditionalist. I've been to some of the best stadiums in Europe, and my all time favourite is the Baseball Ground (RIP). Have you been to Goodison it's absolutely shite. Needs bulldozing, you don't even get a sense of history when you're there. I don't know how you quantify fame, but no one notices them nationally, they're just perceived as a boring club. I'd say even Leeds have a bigger profile, and are certainly a far more interesting club. They won trophies when smaller clubs did, the last time they won the title their average gate was 31,000 in a 54,000 stadium. It sums the club up. They're just nonn descript in my eyes, amuses me when they condescend Newcastle. I know a blue dipper as well, and he seems to think the club will become a big Tranmere if current trends on Merseyside continue, because all of the youth seem to be supporting Liverpool now on the back of their CL run, whereas even in the late 70s Everton had the majority of support on Merseyside. I view them like I view Aston Villa - boring, non-descript, woeful support home and away vocally and numbers wise, just dull nothingness. Obviously their club is as important to them as some other clubs are to their fans, but pah Everton, just non-descript dullards. i've been a few times mate, yeah. i've got family that are evertonians and i've been the a that's why i felt i had to speak up. i've been in the away end to see us play them but also in with the home end in the gladys street and bullens road end. they don't sing that much but when they do the place can be rocking.

I think it's one of those scenarios where you like the antiquity of it but wouldn't want to watch football there every other week in all honesty-so while you mean well, it actually sounds more condescending than Stevie's output. I say the same thing about Craven Cottage for instance, but like fuck would I want it for a home ground. i like those old grounds. the ones with a bit of character i mean. you look at old dumps like vicarage road and selhurst park and yeah, i agree with you but i love going to grounds like goodison and villa park - highbury had the same feeling about the place. i even have a bit of a soft spot for craven cottage actually. agree i probably wouldn't be saying the same if i had a season ticket to one of those clubs and had to watch the match every week in some old shithole with restricted views, tiny concourses etc. i like the sense of history though. it will be a shame when they're all gone and the country's stadia are all sos lookalikes. there's little to no charachter int he new builds with one or two notable exceptions.

tbf stevie, everton are a famous old club with a proud history. they've been mostly average since the 80s but if iirc they're the team that's currently on the longest run in the top flight. i like their dated old ground too, better than the likes of sos, prde park et al

i reckon we're stoking the fire a bit with this thread. can see a lot of gloating mackems invading the board this time tomorrow.

nah more likely to play one up top, 5 in midfield. he's hardly going to throw gosling into a derby away for his debut after a long injury is he?

Someone should post this on a Liverpool forum for some feedback from some scousers that have a clue.

it'll be an unexpected bonus if we get anything out of it with carroll and tiote both missing. i think he'll play 5 across the middle with nolan tucked in behind shola...if shola's fit. fuck knows who the 5th midfielder will be. i'm hopign not smudger smith.

you're right, it's probably not a fair comparison as in the 80s i was young, still living up north and not taking a train to work every day. i still find it hard to believe though that they were as bad as they are now. perhaps they were just as shite down here in london but surely turning the network private hasn't improved it? i'm a firm believer that priviatising public services rarely work. i just don't see how it can be in the national interest to have a whole bunch of different companies, all with one eye on their individual bottom lines, operating the various train lines

Look at the trains how? An industry that the government neglected for decades then when it was dropping to bits didn't have the cash to fix it up. Same with the water industry (although it was well undersold). Look at what has happened with NI Water. Stamp prices are regulated and this would remain in place should anyone come in for it. More concerned about the impact on Post Offices. Tories will tell you that if you don't like not having a post office, you should just move nearer one. You can imagine it- drop your mail off or buy postage from automated kiosks in your nearest supermarket, everyone come move to dismal orbital towns. they're fucking shite man. far worse now than before they were privatised Apart from the shocking price of the train that's complete bollocks. Were you actually a regular user of BR in the 80s? yes. i remember them not ALWAYS being delayed. i remember not having to buy a number of different tickets when changing stations because you're getting a train run by a rival operator making your ticket invalid. i remember being referred to by the train staff as a passenger, not a customer. i remember the trains being affordable - £300 from london to newcastle? for the service offered, they can fuck right off with that shit. my train in to work is delayed EVERY day. and on the way home, it's never announced which platform it's going to be on the big screen until literally a minute before it's due to leave so you get this farcical situation where hundreds of people are legging it the the platform and inevitably, most end up missing it. and on the inter city trains the food is shit - £8 for a nescafe and a stale egg mayo sandwich with a bit of wilted iceburg lettuce? no i'm alright dear. plus you've got carriages that generally look like were last cleaned in the 80s.

meh

After I took the piss that it's the only thing they have that we don't one of them comes out with that pmsl mackems man honestly you could not make them up, at least 40 years behind us in everyway development wise and I don't just mean the bricks and mortar of buildings, attitudes, everything. you're actually talking genetics here aren't you? and i'm not sure you're even joking

anyone? he must be champing at the bit to play again. is his injury that bad?

I can verify it. He was at the ground at 6pm according to my sources. Not the leighton baines source i trust? He'd do a decent job. He's got that priceless commodity we lack - pace. Better option than larsson

Without tiote and Carroll, i make them masive favourites

did al qaeda terrorists fly a plane into joplings or something?

he's obviously a good influence in the dressing room and his goals this season and last have been a god send but i still worry about his legs. we often need to play him off caroll up top with the protection of two behind him and that leaves us lacking in pace up front. i don't think he's got the engine to play centre mid in a 442 alongside any of our midfielders other than tiote. none of the others cover enough ground to allow nolan to be effective. agree he's done a great job. i doubted he would carry last season's form into the top flight. shame he isn't quicker as he's a right old fox in the box with his finishing.

tbf a lot of them are acknowledging that our city centre is miles better than theirs but they rightly point out that we have plenty of rough areas just outside the centre....as do they

sunderland skyline

newcastle has its fair share but sunderland is wall to wall charv

Stevie, you have possibly created the best thread ever. The possibilities are endless

I said end of thread children. Don't make me come over there!

Why is this thread still rumbling on? It was a blatant red card and was never going to be rescinded in a million years. End of thread tbh

Top man. I was a Blackpool fc presser a few months back. He's as charming as he is funny

quailty thread parky. What's you take on the 9/11 conspiracy theories?