Dr Gloom

if we get past the krauts, when's our quarter final fixture due to be played?

if we get past germany does anyone know the date of our quarter final?

shocking miss tbh. martins' shocker was typical of his one on ones when he was with us too

feeling those wheels craig. nice

old school nikes all the way for me. i'm a trainer junky, have got about 12 pairs on rotation at the moment. all about the dunks, air force ones, old schol air max 87s, 90s, 95s and 97s and jordans ... always in loud, bold colours. a few of the colours snd designs i'n wearing at the moment:

gerrard and lampard simply can't play together in the middle of a 4-4-2. t's been tried and tested. in fact, isn't that the front 6 that sven used in the last world cup?

spot on.

he looked fearess when he burst on the scene a few years back. he looks as petrified as the rest of them when they pull on englnd shirt now.

i thought he cut a across it a bit to fair - bit of a sliced shot but a great goal. agreed about gazza. he's a once in a generation player. shame he fucked up his career. none of the current lot could touch him when he was in his pomp.

held to a draw by the mighty algerians. this was all so predictable. those saying we were going to do well must be feeling a bit silly now england have reverted to type. there just isn't anything remotely fun about watching them. rooney, lampard, gerrard and heskey all awful. why the fuck is heskey playing? oh yeah, he does all that good work for the team that apparently outweighs the fact that he can't shoot, pass or control the ball. i predict a laboured victory over slovenia then a glorious failure in the knockout stages - either a pen shoot out defeat or an 'unjust' sending off, so the majority of deluded england fans can say we were cheated.

i'm for the england team but against the players

apparently it's a black thing. they've started doing it at the rugby too as it really fucks off the boers. sounds like a giant swarm of wasps. annoying. but then you would probably say the same if you got stuck next to one of the english trumpters belting out the great escape.

Really slick. oh no, the treads come under pun attack. Cap it off before it becomes crude. you're trying to drum this into something aren't you? could be a right barrel of laughs

Agreed. Thought Irelands' missus was gonna be the most dislikeable, but Cisse's wife is a bitch. Nicola T seems cock mad. So would you be if you looked like Rocky Balboa in the 15th round every time the teas not ready.

feelign good. about to jet off to la for a couple of day's work before 4 nights in vegas for a stag do

Serioulsy mate, I respect your point of view, but what DO Israel have to do to get your condemnation? i thought the timing of the 2008 assualt on gaza was outrageous, the large scale civilian casualties were shocking and could have been avoided if the strikes had taken place at night instead of during the day. but again, i can see two sides. gaza had launched over 50 rocket attacks into israel in the days leading up to the strikes. what was israel to do? just allow hamas to continue firing rockets? it has the legitamacy to defend its borders. if welsh separatists suddenly started firing rockets into herefordshire, i'm pretty sure the english military would act too. i think the way israel acts (or often reacts) can be excessive and it is rightly criticsed. but i also find much of the criticism against it excessive. i also think israel shot itself in the foot by killing those those 8 or so people recently on the boat. when they are provoked, they act with a heavy hand. that is regretful but there is no doubt to me that they were provoked. the people on that boat knew what they were doing. It's disingenuous to blame Hamas for the breakdown of the tahdia. Israel were the first to draw weapons. israel withdrew from gaza in 2005 but hamas still continued to fire rockets into israel. hamas wants the violence to continue. they don't want a peaceful solution, they want the end of israel. yes i have sympathy for the innocent palestinians that are caught in the middle but israel is fighting a war against an enemy that doesn't recignise its right to exist. it's worth noting also that while idf attacks on gaza often end up by killing innocent civilans, they target hamas military targets. hamas suicide bombers and rocket attacks only target innocent civilians.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs...gazaimports.pdf That's the full list of what's allowed in and that is it. That's not propaganda. Saying the ships could have docked in Israel or Egypt and the stuff would have been allowed in is however. Because a lot of stuff wouldn't have been. That's stuff which is needed to help the Palestinians get back to some semblance of normal life. Can you give me a good reason why tinned fruit should be banned by the way? It's a fucking disgrace and I'm ashamed this country is party to it. Also outlined here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7545636.stm i agree that not letting a lot of basic stuff through is disgraceful. but you can also see that they do let a lot of basic food supplies in from the link you posted. i think another big criticism of the likud policy on gaza is that by restricting so much stuff into the strip they are contributing to the terrible living conditions and only adding to the anti-israeli sentiment there and increasing sympathy for hamas.

Serioulsy mate, I respect your point of view, but what DO Israel have to do to get your condemnation? i thought the timing of the 2008 assualt on gaza was outrageous, the large scale civilian casualties were shocking and could have been avoided if the strikes had taken place at night instead of during the day. but again, i can see two sides. gaza had launched over 50 rocket attacks into israel in the days leading up to the strikes. what was israel to do? just allow hamas to continue firing rockets? it has the legitamacy to defend its borders. if welsh separatists suddenly started firing rockets into herefordshire, i'm pretty sure the english military would act too. i think the way israel acts (or often reacts) can be excessive and it is rightly criticsed. but i also find much of the criticism against it excessive. i also think israel shot itself in the foot by killing those those 8 or so people recently on the boat. when they are provoked, they act with a heavy hand. that is regretful but there is no doubt to me that they were provoked. the people on that boat knew what they were doing.

there is propaganda on both sides, that's the point. i think the idf used excessive force but unlike many, i don't always see israel as playing the role of the bad guy. there are two sides to this story.

Lefties in general love knocking Israel while giving Muslims a bit of an easy ride - I think because they see right wing anti-muslim feeling as something to be opposed. I on the other hand see religious fuckwittery on both sides which I have no respect for so tend to call cuntery on both sides (or at least I try to). yeah, that's what i'm getting at. i'm a liberal but i find it ironic that israel is always the bad guy and a lot of the arab nations - and the islamofascists within them - get an easy ride by many lefties that don't want to come across like they read the daily mail. Classic strawman stuff tbh. Avoiding the issue at hand. well, i've already said many times in this thread that i'm no israel apologist - i'm as critical as the likud's policies as anyone. but i do find the somewhat hysterical response to some of israel's actions to be overdone, especially the latest incident with the flotilla. israel is a sovereign state, a civilised western democracy and quite the opposite to many of the states that surround it that for some reason the left in the uk often sympathise with. I sympathise with the people of Palestine and what is being done to them in the name of Israeli 'security'. I don't sympathise with states such Iran, Syria, Egypt etc. You don't seem to be able to recognise the difference between the two. israel and egypt have set up the blockade around gaza precisely to stop the flow of weapons from iran and syria into gaza to help hamas militants continue to fire rockets into israel. israel allows humanitarian aid through. the reason the idf soldiers boarded the ship was top check for weapons. if iot had docked, like the rest, the aid would have been got through and we wouldn't be having this discussion. As I've already pointed out to you in this thread their definition of humanitarian aid is pretty strict. They allow medical supplies but don't allow building materials, educational supplies and so on. Keep spewing out the propaganda though. talking of propaganda, isn't it strange that reuters decided to crop a pic of a man on the flotilla standing over an idf soldier armed with a knife, given the contoversy over whether the men on the flotilla were armed? http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/06/08/re...test=latestnews

Lefties in general love knocking Israel while giving Muslims a bit of an easy ride - I think because they see right wing anti-muslim feeling as something to be opposed. I on the other hand see religious fuckwittery on both sides which I have no respect for so tend to call cuntery on both sides (or at least I try to). yeah, that's what i'm getting at. i'm a liberal but i find it ironic that israel is always the bad guy and a lot of the arab nations - and the islamofascists within them - get an easy ride by many lefties that don't want to come across like they read the daily mail. Classic strawman stuff tbh. Avoiding the issue at hand. well, i've already said many times in this thread that i'm no israel apologist - i'm as critical as the likud's policies as anyone. but i do find the somewhat hysterical response to some of israel's actions to be overdone, especially the latest incident with the flotilla. israel is a sovereign state, a civilised western democracy and quite the opposite to many of the states that surround it that for some reason the left in the uk often sympathise with. I sympathise with the people of Palestine and what is being done to them in the name of Israeli 'security'. I don't sympathise with states such Iran, Syria, Egypt etc. You don't seem to be able to recognise the difference between the two. israel and egypt have set up the blockade around gaza precisely to stop the flow of weapons from iran and syria into gaza to help hamas militants continue to fire rockets into israel. israel allows humanitarian aid through. the reason the idf soldiers boarded the ship was top check for weapons. if iot had docked, like the rest, the aid would have been got through and we wouldn't be having this discussion.

Lefties in general love knocking Israel while giving Muslims a bit of an easy ride - I think because they see right wing anti-muslim feeling as something to be opposed. I on the other hand see religious fuckwittery on both sides which I have no respect for so tend to call cuntery on both sides (or at least I try to). yeah, that's what i'm getting at. i'm a liberal but i find it ironic that israel is always the bad guy and a lot of the arab nations - and the islamofascists within them - get an easy ride by many lefties that don't want to come across like they read the daily mail. Classic strawman stuff tbh. Avoiding the issue at hand. well, i've already said many times in this thread that i'm no israel apologist - i'm as critical as the likud's policies as anyone. but i do find the somewhat hysterical response to some of israel's actions to be overdone, especially the latest incident with the flotilla. israel is a sovereign state, a civilised western democracy and quite the opposite to many of the states that surround it that for some reason the left in the uk often sympathise with. You've already said that. And you clearly are an Israeli apologist tbh. i'll have to tell my mother that someone called me that next time i see her; it make her laugh.

i doubt the rhetoric would have been quite as agressive if the spill had been caused by one of the big us oil majors. the attack on bp is a mainly because there are midterm congressional elections coming up and he doesn't want the american public to think that this is going to turn into his hurricane katrina - bush was widely - and rightly - criticised for being too weak in his response there.

Lefties in general love knocking Israel while giving Muslims a bit of an easy ride - I think because they see right wing anti-muslim feeling as something to be opposed. I on the other hand see religious fuckwittery on both sides which I have no respect for so tend to call cuntery on both sides (or at least I try to). yeah, that's what i'm getting at. i'm a liberal but i find it ironic that israel is always the bad guy and a lot of the arab nations - and the islamofascists within them - get an easy ride by many lefties that don't want to come across like they read the daily mail. Classic strawman stuff tbh. Avoiding the issue at hand. well, i've already said many times in this thread that i'm no israel apologist - i'm as critical as the likud's policies as anyone. but i do find the somewhat hysterical response to some of israel's actions to be overdone, especially the latest incident with the flotilla. israel is a sovereign state, a civilised western democracy and quite the opposite to many of the states that surround it that for some reason the left in the uk often sympathise with.