manc-mag

At least we can't clone Lovenkrands.

Well, I think complaining about being "embarrassed" at supporting a football team playing in europe, or the actions of another individual, shows an extreme case of over-sensitivity, were you in tears, or close to tears ? You still don't answer the rest of my earlier post, and your fairy godmother is still not here yet. Do you need your fairy godmother, because it certainly looks like they feel you need them ? You should try and get this thread back on course, instead of choosing to jump in and respond to me, again, in the obsessed way that you do. Ok Leazes, I will attempt to respond to you as you demand, but also not respond to you at the same time. Just as soon as that becomes humanly possible. You're going to have to move on at some point. Genuinely.

When you don't manage to draw someone into the more futile stages of a 'debate' you go mental and call them a "tosser" . It just looks proper needy and inadequate tbh. Anyway I associated myself with Matt's comment, so the 'response' is already out there, I simply chose not to expand on it because you'd just read things into my post that werent there anyway.

righto Leazes. It definitely comes across that way btw.

Your posts honestly do read like a baby's you know. I'm just being judicious and chosing not to participate-you talk even less sense when you're seething, as is clearly the case now.

shame you don't compehend ambition when it stares you in the face. We will not get back into the Champions League ie near thetop of the league again until we get owners like the Halls and Shepherd again. The vast majority of potential owners would more than likely be the same as, or worse than, Mike Ashley. That means finding someone who knows the club and has the same ambition as the Halls and Shepherd, could be difficult and could take a long time. Admit it. You were wrong, and you won't even admit it. So the next time you feel "embarrassment" at being laughed at for supporting a top football club, just tell them they are wankers instead of whining on about how terrible it makes you feel. Comprehend ? Class. Read that in a proper playground voice. No reply though ? You can reply to the rest of the post too if you like. In your own time, when you comprehend it ? As you don't even comprehend someone with less than 30% of shares doesn't run the football club single handed, I'm not holding my breath. Matt has done so already. I share his opinion fwiw, because it's common sense. I wasn't going to put it forward in response though because by and large you choose to ignore common sense points and instead substitute a wild and hysterical view that the person never held. And so the cycle continues.

shame you don't compehend ambition when it stares you in the face. We will not get back into the Champions League ie near thetop of the league again until we get owners like the Halls and Shepherd again. The vast majority of potential owners would more than likely be the same as, or worse than, Mike Ashley. That means finding someone who knows the club and has the same ambition as the Halls and Shepherd, could be difficult and could take a long time. Admit it. You were wrong, and you won't even admit it. So the next time you feel "embarrassment" at being laughed at for supporting a top football club, just tell them they are wankers instead of whining on about how terrible it makes you feel. Comprehend ? Class. Read that in a proper playground voice.

Have you seen the price of a new kitchen man? My sister is paying £6k just for the fucking worktops. No but I've seen the state of your current kitchen. Just messing like. Anyway your sister is doing alright for herself with a new house, new motor and new kitchen. Flaunting it a bit iyam. Don't tell her I said that, obviously.

And Alex wants to ignore the hallway and concentrate on the kitchen.

Pud lives in a geet flash millenium tower btw so if it's got 70's flock wallpaper he's put that up himself. Only himself to blame.

You just claimed I called you a WUM. In fact, I said the exact opposite. Do you at least see what I'm getting at about comprehension?

you're obsessed with what Shepherd took out, like others. Who gives a fuck about renting warehouses etc, and it was the Halls who couldn't wait to get their money and run when the sale was made, not Shepherd. This sort of thing ie renting warehouses happens in all walks of life, you're not a kid, you should be aware of this. When the club is growing to the size it grew to under them, and competing with all the other top clubs, a small amount of money on warehouses and shares, relatively speaking, is fuck all. You say you were aware of where the club was in 1991 ? I really find that hard to believe. You should be aware that in the 70's and 80's, money disappeared, and was never saw again, the same as we won't see the bulk of this 35m quid from the sale of Carroll. Who is taking out ? People like you, with this obsessed hatred of Shepherd for some reason, just make me laugh. Nobody is denying at the time the sale was made, the club needed to rebuild and maybe change direction for a while and re-think their strategy, the appointment of Allardyce was an admittance of this, and I have said this numerous times. The difference being, unlike Mike Ashley, they would then have aimed for the top again, like they did after Bobby Robson's first few years. Mike Ashley won't do this. The sooner we get owners like the Halls and Shepherd again, the sooner we will get close to getting back into europe etc, making trophy signings etc that do this. It makes me laugh that people like mancmag proclaim I'm a WUM, rather than admit he was completely wrong. Laughable. At least some people have it about them to admit that they got it all wrong. We will never qualify for the Champions League under ownership of Mike Ashley. I said this almost as soon as he had his foot through the door, and everybody disagreed with me. Not my fault that is it ? Laughable and at the same time utterly pointless arguing when your basic comprehension is so completely defective.

obsessed. You spouted for years how "embarrassed" you were at having a team that played in europe, saying how anybody but Fred would do better and you wouldn't be so embarrassed. Poor little diddums. Better than the Halls and Shepherd - I have to put this in, because for all your self proclaimed intelligence, you STILL appear to think someone with less than 30% of the shares ran the club and made all the big decisions single handed. You're obsessed with me, and won't admit that you were spouting shit and got it all wrong. I don't "argue" with anybody, only thick cunts who didn't see a good board when we had one. Not really my fault that you and others were so dumb. I've only replied because it was such a long post and finding faults with what I post. Just this once. Obsessed. That was practically all made up and/or continued to miss the point spectacularly so I won't bother responding to the 'points' raised. If I genuinely was "obsessed" then I would, but I'm not.

Im not interested in getting into the whole Shepherd/Ashely argument because Shepherd had his problems/ issues/ whatever we want to call them and I agree with Mancy that he had ran his course. What Shepherd did bring to the table that Ashley has no concept of is the view that Debt can be reduced/ profits increased not just through cost cutting but increasing the turnover. Nothing Ashley has done since coming here could be argued as increasing the revenue of the club. All the thoughts on debt reduction etc are made by cutting corners which unlike a market stall often results in much bigger losses through the likes of relegation. I would take that latter point too btw Pud and guess it's simply because he doesn't see it being recouped on exit (sale of club). Which is what did for us (ie Ashley's 'ambition') the moment of the banking crisis. The number of potential buyers-and his profit on exit-dwindled to practically zero overnight and from then on we were on a completely different road with him. That's in no way a defence of him either, but a sad acknowledgment of how long it might be before he fucks off.

The truth is, Shepherd could have all the ambition in the world and it'd be no use to us now because he hasn't got the personal financial clout and he wouldnt be able to get the credit to do what Leazes wants. And Skids is right, those days had drawn to a close before Ashley took over. Ashley is a monumentally capricious dick. He has the personal financial clout (and then some) and chooses not to exercise it. That wasn't always the case as he actually came in throwing money about, but then the arse went out of world markets and finance and he realised the club was costing him a (personal) fortune because of Shepherd's spending of money that didnt exist. It certainly wasn't Shepherds money that was being frittered away in any event. Anyway that was all Ashley's fault because he didn't do due diligence and his subsequent change in outlook ('spend big', changing 360 to 'drive down costs') was only consistent with the man's caprice anyway. Leazes basically makes stuff up for the most part and attributes statements to people that they simply haven't made. For instance I have absolutely no problem in accepting that Shepherd was more 'ambitious' than Ashley, because it's just self evident. But if you point out quite properly that he was ambitious with tick money that i) just isn't available anymore and ii) was invested at no risk to himself, he fails to see that that has any relevance to the debate. Instead he wheels out the line that Newcastle are a big club (we are) and should be ambitious (I don't disagree), but then seems to take the view that the ambition should be funded entirely by Mike Ashley's own personal bank account. Again that is a perfectly valid position to take, but if you do adopt that line you have to understand that i) the 'size' of the club is pretty much an irrelevance, because it's not the club's money you're wanting spent in the first place, and ii) no matter how much you harp on about Shepherd, what you're asking Ashley to do is something entirely different to what Shepherd ever did, because Shepherd never did invest vast sums of his own personal fortune. He dismisses any moderate or objective appraisals as being pro-Ashley and unambitious, instead of acknowledging what they are, which is simply a common sense overview of the two regimes. Skids is in constant battle with him and I know it gets a bit daft from time-to-time but he never makes the outlandish claims about Ashley that Leazes tries to portray, he simply pulls him up for talking shite. At the end of the day though, the number of years he's trolled round various boards and got into arguments with all and sundry, it's pretty obvious he's not worth arguing with to start with. If he was anything other than in tragic earnest about it all, he'd be the best WUM ever.

You can only have been 18 in that 5-a-side, possibly less. Canny footballer for 18, mind. 21 is make or break time now though...will he be dogshit for the next 15 years as his pace declines and his gut spreads or will he make that Andy Carroll breakthrough? Oh aye and happy birthday, obviously.

Well MF's silence speaks volumes. No danger of that then.

Does that last deal mean you might actually change your water every now and again you absolute bandits?

And I don't even mean in the 'big club' debate either..I mean in the more mundane context of never having been relegated. Quite remarkable that EFC one.

Even the year we 'should've won the league' it was poor. I was still astonished by that Villa stat like! Another one....Everton's GD overall -29. Jesus!

Our away record is gash tbf. Lost more than Villa who have been up for 2 more seasons. I'll be honest and say that's how far we've really been from winning things, regardless of how it's sometimes represented.

I'm hungover as well today, drinking loads last few weeks, but in a sound mood, proper smiley mood. When life seems like it's such a battle it's trying to get through Arsenal's 1990/1991 defence, all of a sudden you're up against Sunderland's 05/06 defence and Steven Caldwell is playing. Had a lot of luck lately but I'll go along with the saying you make your luck in this game. Newcastle United will not defeat me!!!!!!!!!!! Mugs. I don't even care. Well said that man! Can't go far wrong with an attitude like that. Toon debacles aside I've been trying to weather a fair amount of shite for months now and I think things are starting to turn round at last-and a bit of luck always helps too-but it's more likelt to arrive if the positive thinking comes first. PS Meenzer....I think that ITK Eurovision qualification post is possibly one of the most disturbing things I've ever read on this message board. Norwegian qualifiers ffs!

Watch summat else?

It's got to be the most inert away ground i've been to . Did you spot Hugh Grant leading a hokey-kokey at full time ? Sounds more like he was sat with Fred Elliott than Hugh Grant.