manc-mag

Meant to ask how the DJ'ing was going btw.

given time, I will be proven correct, just like before. No doubt you won't admit it. Again. Idiot. I actually think you don't know what you're talking about anymore when you arrange those words in a sentence. just an off the cuff reply. I don't think you realise this isn't exactly and English Language exam here. Still, I'm not holding my breath when you are shown to be spouting utter shit again when future events unfold. Hope your self-proclamied intelligence makes you feel a bit better about it. Do you understand what 'self-proclaimed' means btw? you don't need to try and teach me good use of English lad. I'm saying you're a pompous arsehole. By the way, are you a solicitor ? If so, so was/is Gordon McKeag. Ok, Playtime Fontaine.

given time, I will be proven correct, just like before. No doubt you won't admit it. Again. Idiot. I actually think you don't know what you're talking about anymore when you arrange those words in a sentence. just an off the cuff reply. I don't think you realise this isn't exactly and English Language exam here. Still, I'm not holding my breath when you are shown to be spouting utter shit again when future events unfold. Hope your self-proclamied intelligence makes you feel a bit better about it. Do you understand what 'self-proclaimed' means btw?

"When we sell our best players, this is what we'll sing; we are Geordies, Super Geordies, declining up the league!"

given time, I will be proven correct, just like before. No doubt you won't admit it. Again. Idiot. I actually think you don't know what you're talking about anymore when you arrange those words in a sentence.

I realise who you're talking about for the avoidance of doubt, but just because i) you say it and ii) I realise to whom you're referring, doesn't make what you say correct.

Aye, he'll do it entirely on his terms, meaning we could get fucked over or we could get pleasantly surprised. I'll always think he's a cock because he can do things at a moments notice that set back or severely put at risk some of the gains that have been made, and theres just no need for this (as Alex says, there's surely a 'middle way' that could be achieved if he was a bit less of a twat), but this summer will be pretty huge either way. Personally I have a hunch he's essentially said he wants players in that aren't going to take this piss and he wants value for money out of them. I know that oversimplifies the analogy with Sports Direct, but I do think that's partly what has happened and I think we've benefited from it in terms of the spirit the team plays with these days as opposed to the team of wasters that gave up on us from about 2004 onwards. The lack of spirit or pride was always the biggest sin for me and it was even evident in several of the better teams we assembled pre-2004. I think the focus now amongst the players is far more streamlined and that's just pull on a black and white jersey and make sure you come off the field proud of your performance. Again I said it the other day, I think it says a lot about the league and explodes a few myths about the Prem, that that sort of attitude can probably be the difference in up to a dozen league places between 17th and 5th/6th. I also happen to think it's the sort of discipline that should be in place before you go spunking money everywhere and rewarding people for nothing. Top four though is massive, massive money and a different ball game. And there I agree with Leazes-no, I don't expect to be seeing him writing blank cheques for that sort of ascent. That genuinely would need a sugar daddy. But lets at least be honest about that.

It's a good post in as little as it says a few basic obvious things about if you want to sign the very top players then you need to spend the very top money. Which is basically a statement of desire because it doesn't really say where this money should come from. You're competing with Chelsea (sugar daddy) Man City (sugar daddy), Man U (bigger than us) remember, so i) Newcastle's natural resources alone rule this type of investment out, ii) he doesn't expect Ashley to spend his own money, iii) credit isn't available as it was the last time we went out mad spending. So it offers no solutions as to where the cash should come from. Although he protests that he 'doesn't just want to splash cash about' in essence, if you go back through his posts down the years its the only consistent theme that emerges. Ever. That's all it is as an argument. We've got a clear transfer 'surplus' this summer. If that gets used towards strengthening I'll be content with the direction since the relegation season. If not I won't. I don't anticipate the entire amount will be spent either way (and theres an argument it shouldn't be if we're just clearly being held to ransom), but I'll try and judge using those slightly more objective criteria because I realise we were miles off challenging when Ashley took over and Leazes will be a long time looking for his magic wand.

Possibly taken the lead with this one alone tbf.

Sorry Sammy, but every thread they post in becomes a tedious back and forth where neither makes any movement forward. I've no idea why, but Leazes repetition is less annoying than ASM's; probably because he's earned my respect with his insight on other subjects, whereas ASM cowls his incessant vendetta with petulant rants against anyone who dares to say they're repeating themselves. Genuinely, I'd prefer if there was a way to obfuscate his "contributions" entirely, he's an angry little man and it got real old real fast. Also, as an aside, for him to have a go at what I look like* when he hasn't the balls to post his own picture shows how juvenile he is. The thing is, good posts are often lost because rather than scroll through the pages and pages of quote-stacked posts between two rutting stags, they just close the thread and mark it as read. *not really arsed what an internet warrior thinks of my looks; I do far better than I should ASM just insists on context (at least), and the full facts. Leazes berated jaythesouthernmag for selectively posting 'a load of emotional cherry picked crap', the other day but the reality is that's the very essence of what he does. That's all it ever amounts to. It's just a 'Let's go back to the mid 90's!' rally call with nothing to back it up about how it could be achieved now (in vastly different conditions) and nothing to acknowledge we were a million miles from that when Ashley took over in any event. It's the most emotional crap on here, dressed up as 'argument'. Prime evidence of this are his coping mechanisms, which include offering to come and find you and have his daughter punch you in the face. If that gets your respect then fair enough, like. In reference to your last point, I will however confirm you do far better than you should.

Fish: Get off your horse and drink your milk! Chez: Good post. Pretty much where I stand with it all tbh-and that doesn't imply any blind, overarching trust in Ashley at all, it's just a general weighing up of where we've seen improvements as against errors (recently) and a realisation that the 'second season up' is often crucial for any club, but even more so in our case given the events of the last window.

Astley was only 800 odd, which I guess is fairlysmall exclusive. I heard that J69's was above average. I realised as soon as I wrote that that I was in danger of sounding all J69. It just made me wonder though because at the time you just see your own school as 'the norm', but there are obviously vast differences throughout the country. I think the alumni for mine are canny shit considering the size of the school. Although it only dates back to the very late 60's I spose. 800 pupils and you managed to turn out Adam Sandler is pretty impressive by comparison.

Just wiki'd this out of curiosity and it's a cautionary tale of just how 'made up' (in the pure sense) wikipedia is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parrs_Wood_High_School Max Beesley - British actor and musician. - Lies. He went to Cheethams, the music college in the city centre Holliday Grainger — film and television actress Hannah Pool — Fashion Editor with The Guardian and author of My Father's Daughter Judy Shekoni — film and television actress, best known for her spell in EastEnders Danny Webber — professional footballer, currently with Premiership team Portsmouth. Johnny Bennett - Actor, best known for appearing in Shameless Qasim Akhtar - Actor, best known for appearing in Shameless Nick Speak - Former Lancashire and Durham cricketer Robbie Conway - Actor, best known for appearing in shameless Never heard of any of the 'actors'/'actresses' If I'd been Catholic then it would have read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Barlow_RC...#Notable_alumni 1. Noel Gallagher 2. Liam Gallagher And that would have been the end of the thread tbh. How big were your schools out of interest? Apparently mine was (is) 2030 pupils. Thinking that must be quite big??

nobody knows better than the best players at the club, if they are wasting their time here or not. We've just witnessed one of them leaving for a record transfer fee to a club who don't feel overconcerned at bankruptcy, overspending, administration etc despite having a smaller ground and less supporters than we do for starters. They have, of course, been doing everything wrong for over 40 years now. They were skint under the last lot you mug, they have spent the Torres and Babbel money on Carroll and Saurez. They can't compete with the big boys on spending power either. It's Going to be a 3 team scrap for 4th place for the foreseeable future. As for when we got sold we were going nowhere fast with a massive debt. fucking wanker. What are you talking about ? They have won trophies for over 40 years by buying top quality footballers to their football club, the latest addition being one of our best players and smashed a transfer record, and tosspots like you are saying it isn't how you do it ? We will see if we in turn spend that 35m quid like they have just done and in the same manner ? There's only one mug here if you think we will come out of this with that with the intent to push nearer the top of the league when it is all over, which is their aim. Newcastle United knew Carroll was leaving the club, and they left it too late to bring in a replacement but announced they would try and bring Charles N'Zogbia to the club, from Mike Ashleys best mate in football ??? Yeah, right. What sort of tosspot buys a story like that ? While Liverpool know Torres is going and line up Carroll as a top replacement ? Can't you see the difference ? I'll be kind to you and leave it there, hopefully you will wise up. You certainly will in a year or two if you also bookmark and look back at this thread. Did you manage to ignore the bit in bold? There's a surprise.

I know but I just want LM to give a simple answer to a simple question which he, for some reason, won't i'm not on here all day man FWIW, I stand by what I have always said. Replacing the Halls and Shepherd would be far more difficult than poor little embarrassed dears like mancmag predicted, it may be decades before someone buys the club and gives us Champions League football again. They saved the club from certain administration too, now there's a thought for the Leeds Utd doom-mongers who appear to prefer the Bob Murray/Mike Ashley model. The answer to your question is a no brainer. If the Halls and Shepherd had not sold the club, we would not have been relegated, and we would not be selling our best players and replacing them with freebies, loans and chancers. Oh, and Newcastle United are 10 times the club Leeds are, they would not have folded while they were 14th in footballs rich list. I think your optimism in Mike Ashley is touching, but fantastically misguided. So rich they hocked all the incoming sponsor money and the club was in massive debt. You are a bit off a bell end, if any club can't pay its debts they will go into administration. Newcastle,Leeds or Any other club. So in short you would rather run the club beyond its means with the hope of champions league football and if that fails then don't worry about the debt we are Nufc Basically aye. Or in other words, don't worry about administration, because someone will just come along to buy the debt and the club further down the line. Which is probably true, but wait a minute...as a strategy it's success is completely dependent on the randomness of whichever chancer comes in to invest and bail you out. Ignore that minor flaw though, obviously and continue whining. Rinse and repeat. "must have a plan", like Aston Villa who got nowhere near the Halls and Shepherd that embarrassed you when we played in the Champions League etc etc ......yawn. Rinse and repeat. What a prick. Just ignore the pertinent bit you can't deal with and trot along, dear.

I know but I just want LM to give a simple answer to a simple question which he, for some reason, won't i'm not on here all day man FWIW, I stand by what I have always said. Replacing the Halls and Shepherd would be far more difficult than poor little embarrassed dears like mancmag predicted, it may be decades before someone buys the club and gives us Champions League football again. They saved the club from certain administration too, now there's a thought for the Leeds Utd doom-mongers who appear to prefer the Bob Murray/Mike Ashley model. The answer to your question is a no brainer. If the Halls and Shepherd had not sold the club, we would not have been relegated, and we would not be selling our best players and replacing them with freebies, loans and chancers. Oh, and Newcastle United are 10 times the club Leeds are, they would not have folded while they were 14th in footballs rich list. I think your optimism in Mike Ashley is touching, but fantastically misguided. So rich they hocked all the incoming sponsor money and the club was in massive debt. You are a bit off a bell end, if any club can't pay its debts they will go into administration. Newcastle,Leeds or Any other club. So in short you would rather run the club beyond its means with the hope of champions league football and if that fails then don't worry about the debt we are Nufc Basically aye. Or in other words, don't worry about administration, because someone will just come along to buy the debt and the club further down the line. Which is probably true, but wait a minute...as a strategy it's success is completely dependent on the randomness of whichever chancer comes in to invest and bail you out. Ignore that minor flaw though, obviously and continue whining. Rinse and repeat.

Unless we get a billionaire sugar daddy like Chelsea and City then whoever comes in may well have to run the club in the same way or we could get a Ridsdale who would mortgage the club within an inch of oblivion with the hope of champions league. Would you want to take that gamble?? I know Ashley has been a cunt and his appointments of Wise and Dekka have been very poor but we could end up worse off than we are. We are pretty safe this season and playing quite well, we also have 35m to spend in the summer so its not all doom and gloom Or we could have someone in the middle, which Ashley is more than capable of being, given his wealth. I don't see why it has to be one extreme or the other. Ashley doesn't have to run the club the way he is. It's a personal choice on his part. He`s running the club within its means not within his means. The club will never be in a financial mess with him in charge but he`s never gonna chuck cash at it for fun, he`s nowhere near Roman or Mansoor when it comes to wealth but he could chuck in 15-20 mil for a couple of good players I agree. Put yourself in his shoes tho`, you come to a game and get slated and called a fat cunt, your wife and kids see this?? Would you wanna put money in?? when he bought the club, most people thought he was the dogs bollocks just because he wasn't Fat Fred ? Laughable or what. Even more so, when he bought people pints in the Bigg Market and went home thinking how stupid all those Geordies were for being taken in by a blatant PR gimmick. He's done it all himself. So you would rather Fat Fred had hung onto the club?? Simple yes or no Fat Fred never owned the club in the first place mate. 'Fat Fred' is used as shorthand for the entire ownership of the departing regime. Would you prefer we were relying on their money now, bearing in mind they wouldnt have the proceeds of a sale at their disposal, theres no credit available these days, we were massively in debt, and John Hall's more arsed about his roses at the moment.

Unless we get a billionaire sugar daddy like Chelsea and City then whoever comes in may well have to run the club in the same way or we could get a Ridsdale who would mortgage the club within an inch of oblivion with the hope of champions league. Would you want to take that gamble?? I know Ashley has been a cunt and his appointments of Wise and Dekka have been very poor but we could end up worse off than we are. We are pretty safe this season and playing quite well, we also have 35m to spend in the summer so its not all doom and gloom Or we could have someone in the middle, which Ashley is more than capable of being, given his wealth. I don't see why it has to be one extreme or the other. Ashley doesn't have to run the club the way he is. It's a personal choice on his part. exactly. Ambition is a choice, but sadly a lot of people had got used to seeing it and thought it would be automatic. Alex's point is spot on fwiw. Sadly your actual desires are not reconcilable with having someone who is 'in the middle' so it's laughable that you quote it. You're basically endorsing the Ridsdale model in other posts ffs. Obsessed. Fuck off. You're wrong. I know you think you're a smart lad, but you're a thick idiot. Read my comments, I'm only commenting on the last bit of Alex's post, the only difference being that - unlike others - I don't clip his post before replying.......... You're thick as mince, lad. ah, what a shame you're so thick you have called this owner and the last ones completely wrong and were stupidly taken in by Ashley. Smart aren't you What a wanker. If you mean I was one of those "taken in" by him "buying Geordies pints in the Bigg Market", I think you'd actually find evidence on here that I was a dissenting voice on that point. The rest of what you said was just noise. Obsessed. How's the Aston Villa "plan" going by the way, which you endorsed when they gave Martin O'Neill a long contract, and had a "plan" which the Halls and Shepherd never had, according to you ? Have they matched them yet ? Consider your reply, then fuck off son. More noise true though isn't it ? no.

ah. There was a time when we said someone wasn't for sale and they weren't. In fact, nobody bothered trying to buy our best players because they knew they wouldn't be sold. Or because they were under-performing mercenaries? must be nice living in a make believe little world like you do Best players not for sale? Woodgate was our best defender and he was sold, so was Bellamy and Andy Cole wasnt too shabby either. Every player is for sale if the price is right. You think Man U wanted Ronaldo to go? If a player gets a whiff of more money and a better lifestyle or to play in the champions league then their head is turned and when a club makes a top offer then its bye-bye regardless who the manager/chairman is. The measure of the club is who replaces the sold player so we need to wait and see who comes in the summer. oh fucking hell. Do bugger off man. Footballers are always leaving clubs, everywhere, but the top clubs replace the odd quality player they lose with another of the same calibre in the managers opinion and allow him to continue to attempt to improve the team with the cash from the sales. This is kids stuff. How much longer does this need to be explained ? How many idiots are there in this world ? Thats what I said, It depends who the replacements are although in your book if we dont get Ronaldo,Tevez and Xavi then we are not ambitious enough. The reality is we are where we are at the moment and if we get players like Tiote or Jose who may have the ambition to play in the champions league or challenge for the title then thats the reality. Football has changed and we have no chance of top 4 even if we spend a fortune. We should aim for a top 6/7 spot and win a cup and play some European football in the Europa league. As long as those that leave are replaced with players who have something to offer and not just shite or so called big names then so be it. Or are you so deluded you think we should be spending 30mil on a player and 100k pw on wages?? your first line is bollocks. For starters, if we signed any one quality footballer, would Carroll have left, and would we be talking about the possibility of Enrique and Tiotte leaving ? My guess is both these players would be first in the queue to sign extended contracts. Secondly, no person turned their noses up when we signed the likes of Shearer, Ferdinand, Ginola, Woodgate, Speed, Dyer etc etc bleating on about the club heading towards administration. I agree that if the 35m quid is invested in footballers the manager decides will give us a better team than the one we had with Carroll in it, it should prompt a re-think about Mike Ashley and his ambitions for the club, but it won't. The waft of 80k per week was enough to tempt Carroll and if you think any signing would have convinced him to stay I would say you are wrong. As for Jose and Tiote, I said if they want to challenge for a title or play champions league, so Man U, Chelsea,City or Arsenal not to mention Spain,Italy etc. If any top clubs come in for ANY of our players then they will go if they want to and its up to Ashley to get a deal thats right for NUFC and to re invest it. I wasnt bleating when we had those players but no one had any idea how fucked the clubs finances were on the back of it all as for your final point, could I borrow your crystal ball please The Carroll issue and the fact Ashley should've had a look at the books aside, I think Happy Face has shown that Ashley could've spent less than the relegation cost him by handing KK a canny bit of money to spend as he chose. That's what sticks in my throat when you get the lines trotted out about how much of his own money he's spent. The media seem particularly blind to this so it's no wonder fans from NUFC and other clubs don't pick up on it much. He's a shit owner as manc-mag points out, he no longer gives a shit about the fans its just business. He's fucking stupid, without doubt for the reasons you just point out. My question is, whats his business? Where is he trying to take his investment? I obviously dont know but then i dont even really know what the doomsday scenario is either that is getting put forward. His greatest crime is settling for less than we can acheive but then thats settling for less than his investment can acheive. If he sells Enrique and Tiote this summer and we fall back to the bottom of the league and out, it makes him an idiot as its his investment that suffers. What i find the hardest to understand is that in the 12 games to go thread, people are happily predicting 50 points. There is a disconnect in logic in all of this. Not sure he knows tbh. Or rather I would guess it's extremely fluid, depending on how the mood takes him. I think we've performed above expectations already this season like, almost no matter what happens here on in. That's no guarentee were good enough to stay up long term with the set of forwards we've got though. Especially if the next 12-18 months were to see Tiote, Ben Arfa and Enrique follow Carroll out the door. Basically what I'm saying is, don't get carried away with a good first season back up as I think the way he's running the club will see more bother in the future. It's not like we're going to unearth local players and sell them for massive fees very often, so it's not sustainable in that sense. Whether the Tiote and Ben Arfa signings are representative or fortunate is another matter but hopefully are scouting network is getting to somewhere near the level it should be. Agree with all of that. I'll emphasise "all of that" in case smartlad mancmag decides to become pedantic about it again. Daft tosspot. To be honest, I didn't even get what you were on about me supposedly 'clipping' his last post (or words to that effect). Oddball. quite easy smartlad, I was only replying to the last part of his post, which was quite obvious if you actually read it Are those nasty mancs still laughing at your embarrassment ? Poor thing. Sorry you're right. I forgot I was clairvoyant as well as a 'smart lad'. Contrary to what you might think, it's not that easy to make sense of whats going on in your addled brain, so your point fails spectacularly.

Unless we get a billionaire sugar daddy like Chelsea and City then whoever comes in may well have to run the club in the same way or we could get a Ridsdale who would mortgage the club within an inch of oblivion with the hope of champions league. Would you want to take that gamble?? I know Ashley has been a cunt and his appointments of Wise and Dekka have been very poor but we could end up worse off than we are. We are pretty safe this season and playing quite well, we also have 35m to spend in the summer so its not all doom and gloom Or we could have someone in the middle, which Ashley is more than capable of being, given his wealth. I don't see why it has to be one extreme or the other. Ashley doesn't have to run the club the way he is. It's a personal choice on his part. exactly. Ambition is a choice, but sadly a lot of people had got used to seeing it and thought it would be automatic. Alex's point is spot on fwiw. Sadly your actual desires are not reconcilable with having someone who is 'in the middle' so it's laughable that you quote it. You're basically endorsing the Ridsdale model in other posts ffs. Obsessed. Fuck off. You're wrong. I know you think you're a smart lad, but you're a thick idiot. Read my comments, I'm only commenting on the last bit of Alex's post, the only difference being that - unlike others - I don't clip his post before replying.......... You're thick as mince, lad. ah, what a shame you're so thick you have called this owner and the last ones completely wrong and were stupidly taken in by Ashley. Smart aren't you What a wanker. If you mean I was one of those "taken in" by him "buying Geordies pints in the Bigg Market", I think you'd actually find evidence on here that I was a dissenting voice on that point. The rest of what you said was just noise. Obsessed. How's the Aston Villa "plan" going by the way, which you endorsed when they gave Martin O'Neill a long contract, and had a "plan" which the Halls and Shepherd never had, according to you ? Have they matched them yet ? Consider your reply, then fuck off son. More noise

Unless we get a billionaire sugar daddy like Chelsea and City then whoever comes in may well have to run the club in the same way or we could get a Ridsdale who would mortgage the club within an inch of oblivion with the hope of champions league. Would you want to take that gamble?? I know Ashley has been a cunt and his appointments of Wise and Dekka have been very poor but we could end up worse off than we are. We are pretty safe this season and playing quite well, we also have 35m to spend in the summer so its not all doom and gloom Or we could have someone in the middle, which Ashley is more than capable of being, given his wealth. I don't see why it has to be one extreme or the other. Ashley doesn't have to run the club the way he is. It's a personal choice on his part. He`s running the club within its means not within his means. The club will never be in a financial mess with him in charge but he`s never gonna chuck cash at it for fun, he`s nowhere near Roman or Mansoor when it comes to wealth but he could chuck in 15-20 mil for a couple of good players I agree. Put yourself in his shoes tho`, you come to a game and get slated and called a fat cunt, your wife and kids see this?? Would you wanna put money in?? when he bought the club, most people thought he was the dogs bollocks just because he wasn't Fat Fred ? Laughable or what. Even more so, when he bought people pints in the Bigg Market and went home thinking how stupid all those Geordies were for being taken in by a blatant PR gimmick. He's done it all himself. So you would rather Fat Fred had hung onto the club?? Simple yes or no *avoided*

ah. There was a time when we said someone wasn't for sale and they weren't. In fact, nobody bothered trying to buy our best players because they knew they wouldn't be sold. Or because they were under-performing mercenaries? must be nice living in a make believe little world like you do Best players not for sale? Woodgate was our best defender and he was sold, so was Bellamy and Andy Cole wasnt too shabby either. Every player is for sale if the price is right. You think Man U wanted Ronaldo to go? If a player gets a whiff of more money and a better lifestyle or to play in the champions league then their head is turned and when a club makes a top offer then its bye-bye regardless who the manager/chairman is. The measure of the club is who replaces the sold player so we need to wait and see who comes in the summer. oh fucking hell. Do bugger off man. Footballers are always leaving clubs, everywhere, but the top clubs replace the odd quality player they lose with another of the same calibre in the managers opinion and allow him to continue to attempt to improve the team with the cash from the sales. This is kids stuff. How much longer does this need to be explained ? How many idiots are there in this world ? Thats what I said, It depends who the replacements are although in your book if we dont get Ronaldo,Tevez and Xavi then we are not ambitious enough. The reality is we are where we are at the moment and if we get players like Tiote or Jose who may have the ambition to play in the champions league or challenge for the title then thats the reality. Football has changed and we have no chance of top 4 even if we spend a fortune. We should aim for a top 6/7 spot and win a cup and play some European football in the Europa league. As long as those that leave are replaced with players who have something to offer and not just shite or so called big names then so be it. Or are you so deluded you think we should be spending 30mil on a player and 100k pw on wages?? your first line is bollocks. For starters, if we signed any one quality footballer, would Carroll have left, and would we be talking about the possibility of Enrique and Tiotte leaving ? My guess is both these players would be first in the queue to sign extended contracts. Secondly, no person turned their noses up when we signed the likes of Shearer, Ferdinand, Ginola, Woodgate, Speed, Dyer etc etc bleating on about the club heading towards administration. I agree that if the 35m quid is invested in footballers the manager decides will give us a better team than the one we had with Carroll in it, it should prompt a re-think about Mike Ashley and his ambitions for the club, but it won't. The waft of 80k per week was enough to tempt Carroll and if you think any signing would have convinced him to stay I would say you are wrong. As for Jose and Tiote, I said if they want to challenge for a title or play champions league, so Man U, Chelsea,City or Arsenal not to mention Spain,Italy etc. If any top clubs come in for ANY of our players then they will go if they want to and its up to Ashley to get a deal thats right for NUFC and to re invest it. I wasnt bleating when we had those players but no one had any idea how fucked the clubs finances were on the back of it all as for your final point, could I borrow your crystal ball please The Carroll issue and the fact Ashley should've had a look at the books aside, I think Happy Face has shown that Ashley could've spent less than the relegation cost him by handing KK a canny bit of money to spend as he chose. That's what sticks in my throat when you get the lines trotted out about how much of his own money he's spent. The media seem particularly blind to this so it's no wonder fans from NUFC and other clubs don't pick up on it much. He's a shit owner as manc-mag points out, he no longer gives a shit about the fans its just business. He's fucking stupid, without doubt for the reasons you just point out. My question is, whats his business? Where is he trying to take his investment? I obviously dont know but then i dont even really know what the doomsday scenario is either that is getting put forward. His greatest crime is settling for less than we can acheive but then thats settling for less than his investment can acheive. If he sells Enrique and Tiote this summer and we fall back to the bottom of the league and out, it makes him an idiot as its his investment that suffers. What i find the hardest to understand is that in the 12 games to go thread, people are happily predicting 50 points. There is a disconnect in logic in all of this. Not sure he knows tbh. Or rather I would guess it's extremely fluid, depending on how the mood takes him. I think we've performed above expectations already this season like, almost no matter what happens here on in. That's no guarentee were good enough to stay up long term with the set of forwards we've got though. Especially if the next 12-18 months were to see Tiote, Ben Arfa and Enrique follow Carroll out the door. Basically what I'm saying is, don't get carried away with a good first season back up as I think the way he's running the club will see more bother in the future. It's not like we're going to unearth local players and sell them for massive fees very often, so it's not sustainable in that sense. Whether the Tiote and Ben Arfa signings are representative or fortunate is another matter but hopefully are scouting network is getting to somewhere near the level it should be. Agree with all of that. I'll emphasise "all of that" in case smartlad mancmag decides to become pedantic about it again. Daft tosspot. To be honest, I didn't even get what you were on about me supposedly 'clipping' his last post (or words to that effect). Oddball.

Unless we get a billionaire sugar daddy like Chelsea and City then whoever comes in may well have to run the club in the same way or we could get a Ridsdale who would mortgage the club within an inch of oblivion with the hope of champions league. Would you want to take that gamble?? I know Ashley has been a cunt and his appointments of Wise and Dekka have been very poor but we could end up worse off than we are. We are pretty safe this season and playing quite well, we also have 35m to spend in the summer so its not all doom and gloom Or we could have someone in the middle, which Ashley is more than capable of being, given his wealth. I don't see why it has to be one extreme or the other. Ashley doesn't have to run the club the way he is. It's a personal choice on his part. exactly. Ambition is a choice, but sadly a lot of people had got used to seeing it and thought it would be automatic. Alex's point is spot on fwiw. Sadly your actual desires are not reconcilable with having someone who is 'in the middle' so it's laughable that you quote it. You're basically endorsing the Ridsdale model in other posts ffs. Obsessed. Fuck off. You're wrong. I know you think you're a smart lad, but you're a thick idiot. Read my comments, I'm only commenting on the last bit of Alex's post, the only difference being that - unlike others - I don't clip his post before replying.......... You're thick as mince, lad. ah, what a shame you're so thick you have called this owner and the last ones completely wrong and were stupidly taken in by Ashley. Smart aren't you What a wanker. If you mean I was one of those "taken in" by him "buying Geordies pints in the Bigg Market", I think you'd actually find evidence on here that I was a dissenting voice on that point. The rest of what you said was just noise.

Unless we get a billionaire sugar daddy like Chelsea and City then whoever comes in may well have to run the club in the same way or we could get a Ridsdale who would mortgage the club within an inch of oblivion with the hope of champions league. Would you want to take that gamble?? I know Ashley has been a cunt and his appointments of Wise and Dekka have been very poor but we could end up worse off than we are. We are pretty safe this season and playing quite well, we also have 35m to spend in the summer so its not all doom and gloom Or we could have someone in the middle, which Ashley is more than capable of being, given his wealth. I don't see why it has to be one extreme or the other. Ashley doesn't have to run the club the way he is. It's a personal choice on his part. exactly. Ambition is a choice, but sadly a lot of people had got used to seeing it and thought it would be automatic. Alex's point is spot on fwiw. Sadly your actual desires are not reconcilable with having someone who is 'in the middle' so it's laughable that you quote it. You're basically endorsing the Ridsdale model in other posts ffs. Obsessed. Fuck off. You're wrong. I know you think you're a smart lad, but you're a thick idiot. Read my comments, I'm only commenting on the last bit of Alex's post, the only difference being that - unlike others - I don't clip his post before replying.......... You're thick as mince, lad.

ah. There was a time when we said someone wasn't for sale and they weren't. In fact, nobody bothered trying to buy our best players because they knew they wouldn't be sold. Or because they were under-performing mercenaries? must be nice living in a make believe little world like you do Best players not for sale? Woodgate was our best defender and he was sold, so was Bellamy and Andy Cole wasnt too shabby either. Every player is for sale if the price is right. You think Man U wanted Ronaldo to go? If a player gets a whiff of more money and a better lifestyle or to play in the champions league then their head is turned and when a club makes a top offer then its bye-bye regardless who the manager/chairman is. The measure of the club is who replaces the sold player so we need to wait and see who comes in the summer. oh fucking hell. Do bugger off man. Footballers are always leaving clubs, everywhere, but the top clubs replace the odd quality player they lose with another of the same calibre in the managers opinion and allow him to continue to attempt to improve the team with the cash from the sales. This is kids stuff. How much longer does this need to be explained ? How many idiots are there in this world ? Thats what I said, It depends who the replacements are although in your book if we dont get Ronaldo,Tevez and Xavi then we are not ambitious enough. The reality is we are where we are at the moment and if we get players like Tiote or Jose who may have the ambition to play in the champions league or challenge for the title then thats the reality. Football has changed and we have no chance of top 4 even if we spend a fortune. We should aim for a top 6/7 spot and win a cup and play some European football in the Europa league. As long as those that leave are replaced with players who have something to offer and not just shite or so called big names then so be it. Or are you so deluded you think we should be spending 30mil on a player and 100k pw on wages?? your first line is bollocks. For starters, if we signed any one quality footballer, would Carroll have left, and would we be talking about the possibility of Enrique and Tiotte leaving ? My guess is both these players would be first in the queue to sign extended contracts. Secondly, no person turned their noses up when we signed the likes of Shearer, Ferdinand, Ginola, Woodgate, Speed, Dyer etc etc bleating on about the club heading towards administration. I agree that if the 35m quid is invested in footballers the manager decides will give us a better team than the one we had with Carroll in it, it should prompt a re-think about Mike Ashley and his ambitions for the club, but it won't. The waft of 80k per week was enough to tempt Carroll and if you think any signing would have convinced him to stay I would say you are wrong. As for Jose and Tiote, I said if they want to challenge for a title or play champions league, so Man U, Chelsea,City or Arsenal not to mention Spain,Italy etc. If any top clubs come in for ANY of our players then they will go if they want to and its up to Ashley to get a deal thats right for NUFC and to re invest it. I wasnt bleating when we had those players but no one had any idea how fucked the clubs finances were on the back of it all as for your final point, could I borrow your crystal ball please The Carroll issue and the fact Ashley should've had a look at the books aside, I think Happy Face has shown that Ashley could've spent less than the relegation cost him by handing KK a canny bit of money to spend as he chose. That's what sticks in my throat when you get the lines trotted out about how much of his own money he's spent. The media seem particularly blind to this so it's no wonder fans from NUFC and other clubs don't pick up on it much. I've no sympathy with him for 'how much he's had to spend' like as he's a billionaire who didn't do due diligence ffs. His own luck out. At the same time if it's a fact he has done that and it was required to be done (interest free loan or however), that remains a fact that has to be acknowledged and will no doubt affect how much additional cash he's willing to make available. KK was just a horrible mess, gutting and eminently avoidable. Oh and entirely Ashley's fault.