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I'd walk a million miles for one of those smiles tbh.

Aye, but that's not what they are doing (just what they want you to think they are doing), it's not a targeted increase at all. Nor would it have made as much tax £££'s as an across the board above inflation alcohol rise every year for the next 5 years. Which will do little to actually stop most of the behaviours it's "supposed" to, and is only likely close more non-circuit type pubs down and if anything increase at home/on street/binge drinking. Given our current alcohol prices, if binge drinking and under-age drinking were really in any real way related to price, we'd already have one of the lowest rates in the EU, but they aren't and we don't. Yeah I get that it's a societal/cultural problem. If the drinks were actually unaffordable though, then kids wouldnt actually be able to afford them. That part is quite straight forward. Where the problem diverts to after that is another matter.

"Kids." I've witnessed that picture of you with Luke sipping your Smirnoff Ice or something similar. Here man you're just proving my point. Luke lost it that night on alcopops-went completely radg and wouldn't calm down until he had a kebab inside him and Greg had drunk so much tart fuel he thought he could fly (down the stairs of 5th Ave).

Fact is though, massive duty increases on alcopops etc would probably have the effect of making them unaffordable to kids so even if the motives are ulterior you can still make a strong case for it.

Disgraceful that tbh. The brother sounds like Gemmill.

Howay man Dave, I was only pulling your chain-thought you'd have known that! Just trying to lighten the mood. It sounds like it probably is rooted in depression and so I hope she gets the help to tackle that aspect of the problem.

There's nowt worse than a reformed fatty (Dave), getting all holier than thou and indignant about current fatties. Let he who is without sin cast the first scone.

Yeah cheers for that Martin, and how would you like it if I just called you a big puff?! I'd deflect it with a camp comment and a wink then cry myself to sleep about it, dahling, same as always. Jesus Martin, I know retired miners who could out mince you!

I'm in no shape to run all the way from here to Didsbury......... yet! Thanks for the donation! How man I'm in the town centre now in the Hilton Tower. You want to knock on for us and drag that little shitehawk Luke down here while you're at it! How long have you been in there mate? Any good? I keep meaning to get to the bar half way up, just for the view rather than the over priced drinks. Been in just under a month. It's booshank mate. I'm on 37the floor; the bar is on the 23rd and 24th floors, but it's view is over South Manchester (ie the suburbs) so it's not that much kop. I made sure I got a North facing plot so I got the views over the city centre. You're into town planning arent you? Have you kept an eye on the planning applications/projects under construction for Mcr? Interesting stuff. There is all sorts coming up and planned in Manchester at the moment, certainly going to be very interesting. Piccadilly Tower is going be bigger than Beetham Tower, 188metres tall, 55 floors, preparing the site for construction at the moment. I'm researching culture led regeneration in NewcastleGateshead at the moment but also working on a masterplan for East Manchester, will be very interesting to see how things go over there as it is an utter shit hole but the extension of the Metrolink really could change things for the better, although it will more than likely just lead to gentrification of the area pushing the deprivation further east. Yeah Piccadilly Tower is going to be a belter, size-wise at least (even if Leeds' Lumiere project probably has more architectural merit). Piccadilly's been approved for what seems like ages but groundworks have only just begun and it's quite a challenging site to prepare given that it's multi-level. Canopus in Salford is also approved at 160 odd metres plus but the developer is BSC who are an absolute joke so that one will probably never happen with them at the helm. Interesting stuff with what you say re East Manc. They're still railing from not getting the Super Casino so they'll need another economic driver there. Sorry to sidetrack your donation thread-I'll zip it there as I don't want your appeal to get lost in my nerd fest.

Yeah cheers for that Martin, and how would you like it if I just called you a big puff?!

I'm in no shape to run all the way from here to Didsbury......... yet! Thanks for the donation! How man I'm in the town centre now in the Hilton Tower. You want to knock on for us and drag that little shitehawk Luke down here while you're at it! How long have you been in there mate? Any good? I keep meaning to get to the bar half way up, just for the view rather than the over priced drinks. Been in just under a month. It's booshank mate. I'm on 37the floor; the bar is on the 23rd and 24th floors, but it's view is over South Manchester (ie the suburbs) so it's not that much kop. I made sure I got a North facing plot so I got the views over the city centre. You're into town planning arent you? Have you kept an eye on the planning applications/projects under construction for Mcr? Interesting stuff.

Why are you so tetchy about James Blunt criticisms?

I'm in no shape to run all the way from here to Didsbury......... yet! Thanks for the donation! How man I'm in the town centre now in the Hilton Tower. You want to knock on for us and drag that little shitehawk Luke down here while you're at it!

Been watching out for you pounding the streets of Manchester training but not a sniff. All the best, mate!

I've been ref'd by England's Paul Mariner. I don't think he was a qualified ref though.

Don't split permed hairs you meff! I meant that the city centre was the end of any journey as theres nowt beyond it but water. You deliberately have to be going there to see it as it's not really en route to anywhere else in Liverpool. Hence if you're not going there (as I wasn't yesterday) you don't even get to see the one relatively attractive part of the city. Leaving the M62 you just see mile after mile of shit as a prelude to and culminating in Anfield. Theres zero jealousy involved in that either, it's an honest assessment. I love that word meff, we used to say it at school in the late 80's, as with everything else the scousers cottoned on to it 10 years after everybody else. Liverpool has some nice architecture, that building opposite the Marriott Hotel is magnificent, but it's low points are lower than anything I've ever seen. Agreed mate. If I lived there I'd feel so low I'd be able to walk under my front door wearing a top hat.

Don't split permed hairs you meff! I meant that the city centre was the end of any journey as theres nowt beyond it but water. You deliberately have to be going there to see it as it's not really en route to anywhere else in Liverpool. Hence if you're not going there (as I wasn't yesterday) you don't even get to see the one relatively attractive part of the city. Leaving the M62 you just see mile after mile of shit as a prelude to and culminating in Anfield. Theres zero jealousy involved in that either, it's an honest assessment.

Manchester's a bit odd in the sense that, it's 'worst' areas are probably amongst some of the most dangerous parts of the UK yet they are cheek to jowell with the 'decent' areas. Liverpool on the other hand is just a run down shit tip. It's a different type of city entirely.

The city centre isn't bad, but I'm not being nasty here, the actual places Everton and Kensington, straight up, I have never ever in my life seen anywhere remotely closely as bad as there, and that's honest. I've been to all the well known shit holes in this country, the worst one in Leeds (begins with H) forget its name, Plaistow, Tower Hamlets, Bermondsey, Tottenham, fuckin Pennywell, Mossside and nothing compares to what I saw on Saturday. I remember Benwell and Scotswood when I was a bairn, but in 2008 that place is worse than our West End in 1988, no wonder scousers hate the government. Nah whilst there were and are some terrible areas in Liverpool there are some nice ones too, Middlesbrough is just a terrible place (like Stoke), with pretty much nothing up lifting about it within its bounds (even its decent architecture is ruined by having the A66 dual carriageway at 2-3 storey level right by them). Admittedly both places could do with a large scale culling of the population though, although the same can be said about most places in the UK. Where did I say there wasn't in that paragraph mate? I've never seen anywhere in Middlesbrough as bad as the Everton district. Driving in from Manchester you can literally get all the way to Anfield without passing a nice area of the city. Being as the city centre is on the waterfront itself (and hence at the dreadful conclusion of anyones route), if you're not actually headed there, you will literally take in a massive part of Liverpool without seeing anything decent. Overall it really is an unmitigated shit tip.

At the end of the day and in all seriousness, Liverpool is a truly dreadful place to live and it must be all too apparent to those Scousers who travel to away games and see other cities and I think that probably contributes to their persecution complex. That's not abuse btw, it's just a statement of fact. I liken it to Middlesbrough, just with a better city centre.

Thank fuck I missed him then. Would have sent me over the edge tbh.

What a complete twat. And you can quote me on that.

Shut the fuck up and let your feet do the talking. Otherwise I'm not listening.

And Nick Ross tbh. Would span the genres as he'd be filmed in bushes and undergrowth but would also attract the attention of the local plod.

Was it "Twat Watch" where Viz had people on the look out for the bearded twat off They Think It's All Over? Anyway, that's what this thread brought to mind. aye it was Rory McGrath wasn't it? Perhaps Renton will grow a beard to avoid detection.