Gemmill

I'm all about the bling tbh.

Draw the beef curtains.

Pot stirring? We know NEwcastle has racism problems. There are literally hundreds of incidents every season. listen at the ground, in the pubs, on forums. Alex Williams is the most obvious - hoying bananas at him. Its not shit-stirring. Its simply pointing out that we havent got rid of the problems. On KROF day it needs reaffirming. Tyneside isnt very tolerant. Its fickle alright but is there more? Probably yes. A lot more in my view. We, as fans need to be active. Not sticking head in sand like Peasepud has doen and throw arms in air. ITs not all or nothing. If some are - and there are plenty of them - it doesnt follow the peasepud path of sgetting stroppy and suggesting I said ALL are. Nor does it mean NONE are. However, there are plenty. Sadly. At matches some jeer poor players. Others? Well, its hardly coincidental is it? 48682[/snapback] There is a very very small minority of arseholes that will shout out something racist on very rare occasions. That's inexcusable, but I don't think it can accurately be referred to as a "racism problem" - that to me sounds like something deep-seated and widespread and I don't know whereabouts you sit in the ground, but that isn't my experience where I sit. And before anyone starts, I'm not excusing anything or trying to brush the racist comments that are sometimes (and I'm talking VERY rarely, in my experience) made under the carpet. To me, a club with "racism problems" would be one where a black player suffers monkey-chanting etc. I've heard one racist comment this season where I sit and probably two last season, both at away games - sorry, but that's an ignorant arsehole problem, not an entrenched racism problem. The argument that black players are receiving stick because they're black is ridiculous by the way. The ones that you've listed have got stick because they've been playing completely shite - playing the race card on their behalf is pathetic. 48696[/snapback] Personally i have no wish to re-open this can of worms. I said my piece before and i thought a very good debate followed. I also have no wish to create any divisions on here because i like all the regulars i 'know'. However Gemmil, if the last paragraph above is your view with regards to the attitude of all football fans in general, then i think it is a little blinkered. 48705[/snapback] It's my attitude with regards to the lads I know that go to watch Newcastle - I can only speak from my own experiences. Not many like Jenas (because he was shit), not many think much of Shola (because he's invariably disappointing), and they're beginning to have a problem with Boumsong (because he doesn't look like much of a defender at the moment). There isn't one of them that has a problem with these players because of the colour of their skin, or at least none that have made that public. 48709[/snapback] Fair enough. However, the point remains: Lee Bowyer is shit and has been for 3 years. Does he get the abuse Jenas did? In the same quantity? Once Boumsong has been targeted - and he will be- will it be as easy for him rather than Stephen Taylor (who has dropped 3 major clangers this season but got away with 2 of them - 1st half vs Man Utd (trying to be clever and thy missed a sitter), Blackburn (diving in/pulling shirts constantly =10men) to avoid the abuse? Most rational people accept that players are players. However, we have seen 101 posters/people in pubs using the words 'bling bastards' with regard to many of our players. Does that have any race connotation or is it something to do with football? Some things are explicit (Alex williams amd bananas thrown from the leazes). It doesnt happen anymore. Does that mean its all gone? Racism is tacit thoughout. And it does exist. The worry from my perspective is that we will NEVER have a decent side until we lose the fickle CM nonsense and we discard this unequal playing field. Do you see what I mean regarding Babayaro/Carr? One has actually played well this season. I have seen the words 'bling' and 'bastard' used to describe him frequently. Why? We seem to have accepted this. Is it racism? Is it a fan who does it? 'waste of spunk' was the descriptor of a player who didnt play yesterday. It wasnt the one who was injured and didnt sue the Mirror. 48711[/snapback] I don't think your comparisons work mate - Bowyer gets less stick because his commitment is unquestionable and people put a lot of stock in that. I've watched Jenas hide in big games and that to me is inexcusable. Bowyer's problem was poor form, and people will excuse that more than they will a lack of heart. As for Taylor and Boumsong - Taylor is a local lad and definitely gets too much worship based on his performances. However, I really don't believe that that's down to his skin colour - I think it's because he's a young local lad who gives 100% and who is finding his way in the game. Boumsong is an established international who cost 8m quid and people expect a lot more from him than he's currently delivering. Babayaro/Carr - I think we want rid of both tbh.

Pot stirring? We know NEwcastle has racism problems. There are literally hundreds of incidents every season. listen at the ground, in the pubs, on forums. Alex Williams is the most obvious - hoying bananas at him. Its not shit-stirring. Its simply pointing out that we havent got rid of the problems. On KROF day it needs reaffirming. Tyneside isnt very tolerant. Its fickle alright but is there more? Probably yes. A lot more in my view. We, as fans need to be active. Not sticking head in sand like Peasepud has doen and throw arms in air. ITs not all or nothing. If some are - and there are plenty of them - it doesnt follow the peasepud path of sgetting stroppy and suggesting I said ALL are. Nor does it mean NONE are. However, there are plenty. Sadly. At matches some jeer poor players. Others? Well, its hardly coincidental is it? 48682[/snapback] There is a very very small minority of arseholes that will shout out something racist on very rare occasions. That's inexcusable, but I don't think it can accurately be referred to as a "racism problem" - that to me sounds like something deep-seated and widespread and I don't know whereabouts you sit in the ground, but that isn't my experience where I sit. And before anyone starts, I'm not excusing anything or trying to brush the racist comments that are sometimes (and I'm talking VERY rarely, in my experience) made under the carpet. To me, a club with "racism problems" would be one where a black player suffers monkey-chanting etc. I've heard one racist comment this season where I sit and probably two last season, both at away games - sorry, but that's an ignorant arsehole problem, not an entrenched racism problem. The argument that black players are receiving stick because they're black is ridiculous by the way. The ones that you've listed have got stick because they've been playing completely shite - playing the race card on their behalf is pathetic. 48696[/snapback] Personally i have no wish to re-open this can of worms. I said my piece before and i thought a very good debate followed. I also have no wish to create any divisions on here because i like all the regulars i 'know'. However Gemmil, if the last paragraph above is your view with regards to the attitude of all football fans in general, then i think it is a little blinkered. 48705[/snapback] Its a can of worms. Answer this Gemmill. Do Black players get an even playing field regarding abuse - even how 'shite' they are? We win yesterday and out comes the bile towards players who werent even playing? Is that just shit fans? Dont know do we? Babayaro has actually played well this season. He has to do twice what Stephen Carr does to avoid abuse. titus always has got more abuse than AOB. - even though both played poorly. In 2005 Gemmill you have heard racist abuse. In itself, even if its 'just' a slip of the tongue, its ridiculous. The undercurrent is still there in more than the morons though. Black people tend to have to work harder in life to prove themselves. there is documented evidence of that. I suspect that NUFCs black players fall into the same category. They have to do more to avoid the abuse. Nobody is doubting the players have had moments when they have been poor. However, they are one slip up away from more abuse. Others, like Milner, Carr, Ambrose, AOB (for a long long time), Griffin, ALL played badly but didnt get the same level of abuse. Why? Its not a race card Gemmill. Its a very important topic that doesnt need knee jerk replies. 48707[/snapback] I'm not suggesting that racism doesn't exist but I'm not prepared to make assumptions that a player is receiving stick because of the colour of their skin, when that player is consistently underperforming. I've heard plenty of moans and groans at mistakes made by white players too - Nicky Butt got it in the neck plenty, as did O'Brien. As I've said I'm not naively suggesting that there aren't some who think the way you've said, but I know personally that my problems with particular players stem from their performances, whatever their skin colour may be.

Pot stirring? We know NEwcastle has racism problems. There are literally hundreds of incidents every season. listen at the ground, in the pubs, on forums. Alex Williams is the most obvious - hoying bananas at him. Its not shit-stirring. Its simply pointing out that we havent got rid of the problems. On KROF day it needs reaffirming. Tyneside isnt very tolerant. Its fickle alright but is there more? Probably yes. A lot more in my view. We, as fans need to be active. Not sticking head in sand like Peasepud has doen and throw arms in air. ITs not all or nothing. If some are - and there are plenty of them - it doesnt follow the peasepud path of sgetting stroppy and suggesting I said ALL are. Nor does it mean NONE are. However, there are plenty. Sadly. At matches some jeer poor players. Others? Well, its hardly coincidental is it? 48682[/snapback] There is a very very small minority of arseholes that will shout out something racist on very rare occasions. That's inexcusable, but I don't think it can accurately be referred to as a "racism problem" - that to me sounds like something deep-seated and widespread and I don't know whereabouts you sit in the ground, but that isn't my experience where I sit. And before anyone starts, I'm not excusing anything or trying to brush the racist comments that are sometimes (and I'm talking VERY rarely, in my experience) made under the carpet. To me, a club with "racism problems" would be one where a black player suffers monkey-chanting etc. I've heard one racist comment this season where I sit and probably two last season, both at away games - sorry, but that's an ignorant arsehole problem, not an entrenched racism problem. The argument that black players are receiving stick because they're black is ridiculous by the way. The ones that you've listed have got stick because they've been playing completely shite - playing the race card on their behalf is pathetic. 48696[/snapback] Personally i have no wish to re-open this can of worms. I said my piece before and i thought a very good debate followed. I also have no wish to create any divisions on here because i like all the regulars i 'know'. However Gemmil, if the last paragraph above is your view with regards to the attitude of all football fans in general, then i think it is a little blinkered. 48705[/snapback] It's my attitude with regards to the lads I know that go to watch Newcastle - I can only speak from my own experiences. Not many like Jenas (because he was shit), not many think much of Shola (because he's invariably disappointing), and they're beginning to have a problem with Boumsong (because he doesn't look like much of a defender at the moment). There isn't one of them that has a problem with these players because of the colour of their skin, or at least none that have made that public.

Pot stirring? We know NEwcastle has racism problems. There are literally hundreds of incidents every season. listen at the ground, in the pubs, on forums. Alex Williams is the most obvious - hoying bananas at him. Its not shit-stirring. Its simply pointing out that we havent got rid of the problems. On KROF day it needs reaffirming. Tyneside isnt very tolerant. Its fickle alright but is there more? Probably yes. A lot more in my view. We, as fans need to be active. Not sticking head in sand like Peasepud has doen and throw arms in air. ITs not all or nothing. If some are - and there are plenty of them - it doesnt follow the peasepud path of sgetting stroppy and suggesting I said ALL are. Nor does it mean NONE are. However, there are plenty. Sadly. At matches some jeer poor players. Others? Well, its hardly coincidental is it? 48682[/snapback] There is a very very small minority of arseholes that will shout out something racist on very rare occasions. That's inexcusable, but I don't think it can accurately be referred to as a "racism problem" - that to me sounds like something deep-seated and widespread and I don't know whereabouts you sit in the ground, but that isn't my experience where I sit. And before anyone starts, I'm not excusing anything or trying to brush the racist comments that are sometimes (and I'm talking VERY rarely, in my experience) made under the carpet. To me, a club with "racism problems" would be one where a black player suffers monkey-chanting etc. I've heard one racist comment this season where I sit and probably two last season, both at away games - sorry, but that's an ignorant arsehole problem, not an entrenched racism problem. The argument that black players are receiving stick because they're black is ridiculous by the way. The ones that you've listed have got stick because they've been playing completely shite - playing the race card on their behalf is pathetic.

A shoo-in for the World Cup squad.

Smooth Operator vs. Bridget. Class. And Renton, I am not now, nor have I ever been an actuary, you c-word.

In case anybody missed it the other day, this man was actually offered a fucking PAYRISE to stay with his employer! 45168[/snapback] Worth every penny.

I've just come back from lunch whereupon I witnessed some of the worst parking I've ever seen. Next to a disabled spot was a tiny gap that clearly wasn't meant to be a parking space, and next to it were some bollards. Someone had parked diagonally so that their front bumper was literally an inch from the disabled person's car, and their passenger door an inch from the bollard. How the hell they got out of the car I don't know. Needless to say I noticed a woman walking away from the scene, and she turned round and pressed the button on her keyring, and lo and behold it was the lights on this appalingly parked Polo that flashed. I've even done a bit of a drawing so you can see what it was like - it doesn't get any more scientific than this. Silly fucking bitch.

Can't stand it when women abandon their car in the middle of a roundabout, and run and stand on the roundabout and look at the mayhem they've caused.

Aye, change your socks. See what happens.

The only thing I know is that when I had problems burning to DVD, all I started doing was saving the file as a disk image and then burning the image to DVD. If I tried to use the basic burn facility it didn't work. That probably doesn't help though.

That doesn't alter the fact that she is a dog/mess though tbh.

yes, i have all their stuff, they are from a town about 4 miles from my home! Ive followed them from the very start and watched their rise to stardom! 39759[/snapback] Soopafan tbh.

39561[/snapback] My Wifes haidresser (hairdresser frrom Brighton for the slow amongst you) has a particularly entertaining and eye watering anecdote about Robbie and Dermot OLeary in the private room at Rage, a local club. 39582[/snapback] Haway then. Make our eyes water.

Class name.

I've been calling them Busted for 20-somethings since I first heard them mate. So there.

Franz Ferdinand are what McFly would be like if their career lasted into their 20s.

They're proper bum chums like. NUFC's answer to Bert and Ernie. "Hey Al" "Errrrrr, yeah Mike"

In Tynemouth it's probably the plaza tandoori, where the plaza used to be (strangely enough), near the park hotel. They are really a restaurant though and don't do deliveries I think. In Shields your guess is probably better than mine - I've got tons of flyers but I reckon they're all much of a muchness. I bet SLP knows.... 36656[/snapback] I like Momin's Tandoori at Billy Mill, been going for years, but my Mrs doesn't like it...picky cow. You can become a member free of charge and you'll get 10% discount! Honest! 36666[/snapback] It's normally that one that sets me off wanting one on the way home when I drive past it. Right, I'll give it a go. Do they deliver?

In Tynemouth it's probably the plaza tandoori, where the plaza used to be (strangely enough), near the park hotel. They are really a restaurant though and don't do deliveries I think. In Shields your guess is probably better than mine - I've got tons of flyers but I reckon they're all much of a muchness. I bet SLP knows.... 36656[/snapback] Cheers mister. Every now and again I fancy one, but don't want to risk ending up with a scabby one.

Renton what's a decent curry takeaway place in N. Shields/Tynemouth?

Correction, if it doesn't involve securing money in a secure long-term low-yield investment they're not interested. Gambling makes you cry, doesn't it Gemill. 36509[/snapback] You're talking to the bloke that had England at 9/1 to win the Ashes. No tears here.

We can't all be IT dweebs. 36486[/snapback] And some of us have to be 'IT dweebs' supporting the financial applications for the accountants.... They've got to be the biggest bunch of arrogant bastards I've ever come across (speaking from experience ).. Not an ounce of common sense, if it doesn't involve money, they don't want to know! 36499[/snapback] I've got news for you - anything IT-related is about as far removed from common sense as it gets. I bet you've got a comedy ringtone like the IT dweebs here though.