TheInspiration

All they've really done is rate places on crime, house prices and GCSE results. Hardly the best way to determine the best place for anyone to live. I seriously hope the programme is supposed to help anyone choose where to live, as opposed to being typical provacative Channel 4 crap.

I only got annoyed because I get unnecessarily insulted here and I'm not the sort of person who wants to start swearing back at them. As anyone who knows me will say, I'm a very nice guy and am not the kind to go round provoking, so why spend time going round provoking someone of my age who doesn't mean to cause offence?

There is no difference between "believing" the earth is 6000 years old and stating that 2+2 = 5. Faith has nothing to do with it. You and I can debate whether an unproveable being exists but when it comes to "facts" that are indisputable I think "fuck-witted moron" covers it. I despise the concept of lying to children. (not you btw - I realise you're semi-rational) Thank you for that. The thing is, they don't know they are lying to children - it's simply their belief. If they wanted to deliberately mislead the children then that would be appalling but in this case they seem to want to do the right thing for their children. You are having a fucking laugh, the bible is a series of fairy stories written by men, edited by men, compiled by men but attributed to be the word of god, yet clear and present evidence which clearly proves to be incorrect. The bible is a laughable fiction that so called intelligent people seem to cherry-pick their opinion from despite the clear evidence of fact and science often that readily disproves. I haven't been posting around this place much recently and I don't really fit in anyway, but I randomly came here and saw this thread. Now this post I'm afraid I can't take seriously just like you can't take the Bible seriously. Firstly, I made any claims about the world being created in six days - do you have an irrational need to explain your beliefs in an irrelevant case in such a childish and abusive manner? You might want to re-read my little post and hopefully it'll make you feel a tad foolish. Or have you got the wrong reply? That would make sense to me. Secondly, I wouldn't want to jump to conclusions here, but do you actually know ANYTHING about the Bible? Have you ever studied theology even lightly? Anyone rational knows better to say it's "a series of fairy stories written by men, edited by men, compiled by men but attributed to be the word of god, yet clear and present evidence which clearly proves to be incorrect." There is shedloads of evidence about the Bible and Jesus - either you don't know about this, or you reject it because the evidence is not right in front of your eyes and it's just a little too farfetched for you. Would I be right in assuming the latter? If you want I could give you a nice set of internet sites which would prove your post false quite quickly, but I doubt you're too interest. That's without doubt one of the most ill-informed posts I've read here and I'm not surprised it comes from one of the most childish and abusive members here. Seriously, what is your problem? I'd only ever been decent to you until recently, so I don't see why you can't either? At least argue in a slightly nicer manner, seeing as this should be "discussing"... I would never get away with writing like you have done - if I did people would never hear the last of it and I'd have a legacy as the deluded religious freak. Consider yourself lucky you'll probably get away with it. Got a bite though didn't it ! It did indeed, but the most worrying thing about your post is you actually meant it seriously. Fuck me, thats a classic pot calling the kettle black. Not a great argument you've made there - something to do with you me being a "patronising prick" in another thread? Also, if you having a laugh at your post getting a "bite" you might as well look at the anger and childish aggressive "arguing" you do all the time.

There's no "physical evidence whatsoever" because it's not right in front of your eyes to see - if you didn't find it so absurd, would you be forced to accept the evidence? Plenty of writings support the Bible, from both Christian and non-Christian sources. This includes eye-witness testimony from the Gospels. 24,000 manuscripts support the New Testament, and showing it hasn't been edited as is a common belief. Compare this to less than 20 for the writings of Plato et al. There are plenty of paintings and inscriptions. Archaelogical remains, such as the empty tomb have thrown up a lot of problems - even the most sceptical scholars in those days didn't deny Jesus' existence and that he died. Then we have inferential evidence, such as the transformed disciples, and how quite quickly Jesus made a pretty big religion to be fair. Now, are they not the sort of methods people uncover any historical events? Paintings and inscriptions from hundreds of years later? A convenient cave which proves it all? Manuscripts written later which support a new movement? The so called "eye witness" gospels were written at the very earliest 60 years after the supposed events. Its also indisputable that the four gospels were the work of an editorial committee which added and left bits out for political reasons. I've said before I think the bloke did exist - the existence of the religion is evidence for that but that of course says nothing about what he is supposed to have said and done which is taken as "gospel" - supernatural events aside. You seem to rise at Jimbo's use of "fairy tales" - can I ask what you think of the following?: The human race being descended from 2 people wished into existence. A world created in 6 days. A worldwide flood. A man being swallowed by a giant fish and living. 10 plagues being visited on a country. A woman being turned into a pillar of salt. All of the "miracles" of christ including the resurrection. The graveyards of Jerusalem opening up and the dead walking on JC's death. If these stories were intended to be metaphorical to teach morality (twisted in most cases) then the use of phrase "fairy tales" isn't that far off. If they were intended to be taken as fact (which I believe) then I think its fair to poke the obvious holes in them and condemn the book in that context. BTW that last one about the "zombies" provides an illustration about the way theists minds work. In Hitchens book he recounts how he asked someone whether they believed specifically in that event. The reply was that "Historically" he could not believe it but as a Christian he did believe it - try and tell me thats the work of a rational mind. And is there anry great evidence about the Gospels, paintings etc being years later? Some of the New Testament was written within maybe twenty years after Jesus died, and it's widely believed that most if not all was written within 100 years of his death. Also how is it "indisputable" work was edited? The rather large amount of manuscripts argues otherwise... Like I've previously said, I've no clue about those stories. What I seemed to rise at was the fact Jimbo is such an abusive arguer who made a completely irrelevant argument. That doesn't seem to bother you or anyone else though, because as far as you're concerned he is right. Isn't it all fairytales anyway, including the stuff about Jesus which is clearly meant to appear as the truth? Anyway, I'm not so sure what problems I tend to stir up here anyway - it's just me against a bunch of older people and when someone who is in his thirties if correct, like Jimbo, starts insulting me for no reason as he has done previously it's understandable I get a bit annoyed.

There's no "physical evidence whatsoever" because it's not right in front of your eyes to see - if you didn't find it so absurd, would you be forced to accept the evidence? Plenty of writings support the Bible, from both Christian and non-Christian sources. This includes eye-witness testimony from the Gospels. 24,000 manuscripts support the New Testament, and showing it hasn't been edited as is a common belief. Compare this to less than 20 for the writings of Plato et al. There are plenty of paintings and inscriptions. Archaelogical remains, such as the empty tomb have thrown up a lot of problems - even the most sceptical scholars in those days didn't deny Jesus' existence and that he died. Then we have inferential evidence, such as the transformed disciples, and how quite quickly Jesus made a pretty big religion to be fair. Now, are they not the sort of methods people uncover any historical events?

There is no difference between "believing" the earth is 6000 years old and stating that 2+2 = 5. Faith has nothing to do with it. You and I can debate whether an unproveable being exists but when it comes to "facts" that are indisputable I think "fuck-witted moron" covers it. I despise the concept of lying to children. (not you btw - I realise you're semi-rational) Thank you for that. The thing is, they don't know they are lying to children - it's simply their belief. If they wanted to deliberately mislead the children then that would be appalling but in this case they seem to want to do the right thing for their children. You are having a fucking laugh, the bible is a series of fairy stories written by men, edited by men, compiled by men but attributed to be the word of god, yet clear and present evidence which clearly proves to be incorrect. The bible is a laughable fiction that so called intelligent people seem to cherry-pick their opinion from despite the clear evidence of fact and science often that readily disproves. I haven't been posting around this place much recently and I don't really fit in anyway, but I randomly came here and saw this thread. Now this post I'm afraid I can't take seriously just like you can't take the Bible seriously. Firstly, I made any claims about the world being created in six days - do you have an irrational need to explain your beliefs in an irrelevant case in such a childish and abusive manner? You might want to re-read my little post and hopefully it'll make you feel a tad foolish. Or have you got the wrong reply? That would make sense to me. Secondly, I wouldn't want to jump to conclusions here, but do you actually know ANYTHING about the Bible? Have you ever studied theology even lightly? Anyone rational knows better to say it's "a series of fairy stories written by men, edited by men, compiled by men but attributed to be the word of god, yet clear and present evidence which clearly proves to be incorrect." There is shedloads of evidence about the Bible and Jesus - either you don't know about this, or you reject it because the evidence is not right in front of your eyes and it's just a little too farfetched for you. Would I be right in assuming the latter? If you want I could give you a nice set of internet sites which would prove your post false quite quickly, but I doubt you're too interest. That's without doubt one of the most ill-informed posts I've read here and I'm not surprised it comes from one of the most childish and abusive members here. Seriously, what is your problem? I'd only ever been decent to you until recently, so I don't see why you can't either? At least argue in a slightly nicer manner, seeing as this should be "discussing"... I would never get away with writing like you have done - if I did people would never hear the last of it and I'd have a legacy as the deluded religious freak. Consider yourself lucky you'll probably get away with it. Got a bite though didn't it ! It did indeed, but the most worrying thing about your post is you actually meant it seriously.

There is no difference between "believing" the earth is 6000 years old and stating that 2+2 = 5. Faith has nothing to do with it. You and I can debate whether an unproveable being exists but when it comes to "facts" that are indisputable I think "fuck-witted moron" covers it. I despise the concept of lying to children. (not you btw - I realise you're semi-rational) Thank you for that. The thing is, they don't know they are lying to children - it's simply their belief. If they wanted to deliberately mislead the children then that would be appalling but in this case they seem to want to do the right thing for their children. You are having a fucking laugh, the bible is a series of fairy stories written by men, edited by men, compiled by men but attributed to be the word of god, yet clear and present evidence which clearly proves to be incorrect. The bible is a laughable fiction that so called intelligent people seem to cherry-pick their opinion from despite the clear evidence of fact and science often that readily disproves. I haven't been posting around this place much recently and I don't really fit in anyway, but I randomly came here and saw this thread. Now this post I'm afraid I can't take seriously just like you can't take the Bible seriously. Firstly, I made any claims about the world being created in six days - do you have an irrational need to explain your beliefs in an irrelevant case in such a childish and abusive manner? You might want to re-read my little post and hopefully it'll make you feel a tad foolish. Or have you got the wrong reply? That would make sense to me. Secondly, I wouldn't want to jump to conclusions here, but do you actually know ANYTHING about the Bible? Have you ever studied theology even lightly? Anyone rational knows better to say it's "a series of fairy stories written by men, edited by men, compiled by men but attributed to be the word of god, yet clear and present evidence which clearly proves to be incorrect." There is shedloads of evidence about the Bible and Jesus - either you don't know about this, or you reject it because the evidence is not right in front of your eyes and it's just a little too farfetched for you. Would I be right in assuming the latter? If you want I could give you a nice set of internet sites which would prove your post false quite quickly, but if you're uninterested so be it. That's without doubt one of the most ill-informed posts I've read here and I'm not surprised it comes from one of the most childish and abusive members here. Seriously, what is your problem? I'd only ever been decent to you until recently, so I don't see why you can't either? At least argue in a slightly nicer manner, seeing as this should be "discussing"... I would never get away with writing like you have done - if I did people would never hear the last of it and I'd have a legacy as the deluded religious freak. Consider yourself lucky you'll probably get away with it.

There is no difference between "believing" the earth is 6000 years old and stating that 2+2 = 5. Faith has nothing to do with it. You and I can debate whether an unproveable being exists but when it comes to "facts" that are indisputable I think "fuck-witted moron" covers it. I despise the concept of lying to children. (not you btw - I realise you're semi-rational) Thank you for that. The thing is, they don't know they are lying to children - it's simply their belief. If they wanted to deliberately mislead the children then that would be appalling but in this case they seem to want to do the right thing for their children.

When was this? The thread about mocking people's beliefs? I apologise if I completely misinterpreted it, but you did seem quite sarcastic and patronising when you explained it the second time round - don't want to go into it but I've had an insulting response to a patronising (but joking) comment I've made quite recently and I've seen it on other occasions here so I'm not alone. As I've said I've apologised for the reaction, but the guy I mentioned was angry at a recent performance from the team and I believe I was stressed and tired at the time when I replied to your post, what with all the responses I always had to make etc.

Must admit I'm liking Roz. Looks like a good defender and professional who isn't scared to talk to the media, while at the same time coming across as a nice guy.

Not sure. Oh you mean me? What am I supposed to say - tell you you're going to hell for not believing in something I don't believe in either? Six-day creation, that is. It is lovely to know that you think a lot of me. But surely you believe every word of the bible, being a "christian"? *shudders* Love how people get so worked up about people having faith I agree - some of the comments in this thread are just comical really. Then again, a situation when there's a completely unharmful issue that might just involve someone with an irrational belief is always an excuse to start a new thread and get all worked up here.

Good stuff, I always find this is exactly the kind of attitude that gets people to listen to reason. Faith has nothing at all, even remotely, to do with reason. I completely disagree, and even when I say that, I can still differentiate between what is based on "reason" and what I believe. NJS I also find it funny that someone can be labelled "fuck-witted moron" just for having a belief that is irrational if you acept a large amount of scientific discovery as truth. I'm hoping it's not a serious opinion, because I think it takes things slightly too far considering all they've done is have an alternative belief... hardly the worst thing in the world.

Not sure. Oh you mean me? What am I supposed to say - tell you you're going to hell for not believing in something I don't believe in either? Six-day creation, that is. It is lovely to know that you think a lot of me.

I still always get the feeling that when he plays there's something we're waiting for, and that's been going on for two or three years now and I can't really judge how much he's improved since then. Fantastic player but still needs to turn it on, on the international scene. Hasn't really shined since Euro 2004, which is pretty poor for a player of his calibre.

Don't think I have nasal poylps, but every time I get ill by nose gets very clogged up, which isn't nice because it's always a bit clogged up. That's why I have next to no sense of smell. I went to the see a specialist and I had a scan also. I believe my septum is bent and what's more is that I have very strong hayfever, yet desptie that I do find myself sneezing at times in the winter. I may get surgery but it would mean six months on the waiting list and would have to be at home for two weeks doing nothing. It probably is genetic also, because my dad also had an operation five years ago, to widen his septum as he struggled to breathe - so the same situation as me.

I thought he was excellent last season. The problem is he's too inconsistent - he tends to have spells where he's simply outstanding and then spells where he can't do much right. He doesn't strike me as a player who will regularly score 20+ in a Premiership season as his game as equally as much about creating than scoring. That said, he needs to get performing for England as his goalscoring rate, particularly in competitive matches, isn't overly impressive.

There are some - you've just got to look very closely. That's all.

Had him on the pitch because I thought Arteta was out with an injury. Wasn't a bad move actually. Agbonlahor got me points also.

Whenever I see or hear the name Faye in a Newcastle United context, I always think of a certain other Senegalise international who was with us not so long ago.

I find Jol an interesting character and it's good we have people like him in the game. He's still a good manager and I think keeping him will be a wiser option in the long run. Yes, that's why I'm hoping they get rid I know, but it's good we have characters like him in the Premiership. Even if he manages a crap side.

I find Jol an interesting character and it's good we have people like him in the game. He's still a good manager and I think keeping him will be a wiser option in the long run.

the week after they'll probably come to SJP and beat us.

tbh i think they deserve to be celebrating like that wot a great comeback. A great comeback it was, but the state Spurs are in isn't exactly great. They were still 4-1 down at half-time, and to a team not part of the "big four" also.

We still move down a place with it being a draw too.

Skyfire - Tranquility's Maze.