Craig

GREAT post. 65052[/snapback] Do you think so? I personally thought it was piss poor (though none post of HTTs will ever reach the standards of his "done like a kipper" effort).... 65057[/snapback] *cough* That wasn't exactly a public post though was it?

Dear me... If he didn't threaten to walk out so many times, we'd never have made it. Short memories... 65081[/snapback] I may have reservations about KK coming back, but I agree with HTT here... J69 man, don't talk so much shite, the threat of resignation from Keegan was to give the directors a kick up the arse to move the club in the right direction!

We're ahead of Blackburn - Bellamy's making all the difference there like! And Luque - crap?? S'pose Ronaldinho would be shite as well? 65015[/snapback] no. Ronaldhino is the top player in the world. Don't understand how you can compare Luque with Ronaldhino, there is no comparison ..... in my opinion Luque is as likely to be as successful as Craig Bellamy was, as Ameobi is to captain England. There is no point in making these changes to the detriment of performance on the pitch, it's money down the drain, big money too, but shows the managers judgement to be incompetent along with his managerial skills, but we all know that, and even that is indefensible to those of you who have backed him. Fact is, you are clinging onto the hope that he will come good, under Bobby Robson, when Bellamy [and Robert] were here you looked at the league table, but you've now been completely taken in and spat out by Souness' propaganda. And you know it. 65021[/snapback] Another "you must worship Souness if you knock Bellamy" thread from you there I see Leazes? You're entitled to your opinion about Luque, personally I haven't seen him play but I've talked to a few people who have and they all suggest he's an awesome talent. And don't give me that shite about if he was that good, Real Madrid would have been in for him - I don't remember too many wanting Henry when Wenger snapped him up! 65038[/snapback] They were linked with him... http://es.sports.yahoo.com/050719/9/6s6v.html 65046[/snapback] He's shite though remember, not a patch on Bellamy!

Absolutely spot-on. But then some even excuse him because he's always put his hand in his pocket.... 65036[/snapback] He has always put his hand in his pocket. It's our money in his pocket though! 65043[/snapback] As someone at work put it the other day, you need to get rid of the rotten meat, otherwise the maggots will keep coming back!

No, but Everton did. 65041[/snapback] I rest my case!

We're ahead of Blackburn - Bellamy's making all the difference there like! And Luque - crap?? S'pose Ronaldinho would be shite as well? 65015[/snapback] no. Ronaldhino is the top player in the world. Don't understand how you can compare Luque with Ronaldhino, there is no comparison ..... in my opinion Luque is as likely to be as successful as Craig Bellamy was, as Ameobi is to captain England. There is no point in making these changes to the detriment of performance on the pitch, it's money down the drain, big money too, but shows the managers judgement to be incompetent along with his managerial skills, but we all know that, and even that is indefensible to those of you who have backed him. Fact is, you are clinging onto the hope that he will come good, under Bobby Robson, when Bellamy [and Robert] were here you looked at the league table, but you've now been completely taken in and spat out by Souness' propaganda. And you know it. 65021[/snapback] Another "you must worship Souness if you knock Bellamy" thread from you there I see Leazes? You're entitled to your opinion about Luque, personally I haven't seen him play but I've talked to a few people who have and they all suggest he's an awesome talent. And don't give me that shite about if he was that good, Real Madrid would have been in for him - I don't remember too many wanting Henry when Wenger snapped him up! For the last time, I've never backed Souness! All I have said is, as Alex pointed out in another thread, that he needed time to prove himself. He has proved himself and he's shit and needs replacing. Despite my last comment though, I'm still of the opinion that the club were right to get rid of Bellamy (and Robert for that matter). 65038[/snapback] Barca actually tracked him for quite some time (Luque, not Wenger). Depo didn't want to sell to rivals which was one of the reasons they allowed the sale to go through to us. 65039[/snapback] He's not Craig Bellamy though so it's all incosequential anyway! Did Barca track Bellamy?

We're ahead of Blackburn - Bellamy's making all the difference there like! And Luque - crap?? S'pose Ronaldinho would be shite as well? 65015[/snapback] no. Ronaldhino is the top player in the world. Don't understand how you can compare Luque with Ronaldhino, there is no comparison ..... in my opinion Luque is as likely to be as successful as Craig Bellamy was, as Ameobi is to captain England. There is no point in making these changes to the detriment of performance on the pitch, it's money down the drain, big money too, but shows the managers judgement to be incompetent along with his managerial skills, but we all know that, and even that is indefensible to those of you who have backed him. Fact is, you are clinging onto the hope that he will come good, under Bobby Robson, when Bellamy [and Robert] were here you looked at the league table, but you've now been completely taken in and spat out by Souness' propaganda. And you know it. 65021[/snapback] Another "you must worship Souness if you knock Bellamy" thread from you there I see Leazes? You're entitled to your opinion about Luque, personally I haven't seen him play but I've talked to a few people who have and they all suggest he's an awesome talent. And don't give me that shite about if he was that good, Real Madrid would have been in for him - I don't remember too many wanting Henry when Wenger snapped him up! For the last time, I've never backed Souness! All I have said is, as Alex pointed out in another thread, that he needed time to prove himself. He has proved himself and he's shit and needs replacing. Despite my last comment though, I'm still of the opinion that the club were right to get rid of Bellamy (and Robert for that matter).

Absolutely spot-on. But then some even excuse him because he's always put his hand in his pocket....

Wrong! A breakdown would have been quoted in the Stock Exchange release as this one was:

Unlucky?? You can the manager a 'fucking prick', you call him a 'fucking prick' whether it's seen by the manager or later on camera. The whole TV audience saw what he called him (arguably worse than the Beresford situation). Most players probably have done something similar, most will have got a bollocking for it, most would accept it.......not Craig Bellamy though! 65017[/snapback] he called him a prick, so what ? He WAS a prick ! Example of Souness' hypocrisy is the time he subbed Dwight Yorke for Blackburn and they stood arguing on the touchline, Souness said after the game he wanted players in his team who got upset when they were subbed, as all players should want to play. Explain how you see this ..... 65022[/snapback] What has that got to do with Craig Bellamy? I've never said I'm a fan of Souness - quite the opposite, but because Souness is a shit manager and doesn't always conduct himself the way he should, it doesn't excuse Bellamy for what he hid. We all know Souness is a prick! But if he is tell him, it should be behind closed doors.

You're displaying examples of exactly what is wrong with society today - not enough respect! There's management at my employers who I can't stand the sight off, however I accept that they are in a position of authority in comparison to me and therefore I extend them the courtesy and respect they deserve. If I called them a prick, I'd expect to be sacked for gross misconduct. Even more so if it was seen by others.

Taking that into account, I put it to you that had Keegan been the manager that day at Charlton last season, he'd have reacted along the same lines as Souness did. The main difference between two incidents is undeniably the player. Beresford showed remorse, apologised immediately and then publically and overall, knew he was in the wrong. Bellamy to this day will think he was right and justified - he wasn't. Whatever we think of Souness, and yes I can stand the bloke - he deserves the respect of his players and if they don't offer that, they deserve to suffer the consequences. 64714[/snapback] Only 2 things. The incident you mention relating to Dyer is worse than anything Bellamy did. Second, Souness doesn't deserve any respect from the players, he has to earn it. 64830[/snapback] So in the working world, do you not respect your manager until he's earned it?? That was the main problem at NUFC - there was no discipline. Souness was NOT the right man to take over, I agree. But a manager, however shit should have respect from his players. A better example perhaps is does a parent have to earn respect from their children or is it something to be expected? The Dyer incident - I don't agree. Dyer redeemed himself (as Beresford did) by shoming remorse and apologising - Bellamy didn't. BIG difference. All it would have taken was for CB to publically apologise and the matter would have been dealt with and he'd still be here.

Unlucky?? You can the manager a 'fucking prick', you call him a 'fucking prick' whether it's seen by the manager or later on camera. The whole TV audience saw what he called him (arguably worse than the Beresford situation). Most players probably have done something similar, most will have got a bollocking for it, most would accept it.......not Craig Bellamy though!

We're ahead of Blackburn - Bellamy's making all the difference there like! And Luque - crap?? S'pose Ronaldinho would be shite as well?

Either you're missing a couple of quotes around a particular word up there or I'm phoning my lawyer....

Better than N-O?

I don't think Dyer has put a foot wrong since the "i'm not playing on the wing" carry on at Middlesbrough last year. Ergo, he cannot be considered a 'disruptuive influence' under the management of Graeme Souness. Bellamy knew what Souness was all about before he came and still he chose to push his luck. He was like the kid who was told not to touch something only to go and do so the minute the adult's back was turned. What often gets forgotten is that in the early games under Souness, Bellamy was on fire and as a result, Souness was playing him regularly up front. We then had the incident at Charlton when he was substituted just after the hour and he was quite clearly shown to mouth "fucking prick" in the direction of the bench. Why do it? Why antagonise a manager who you know fine well is a sucker for discipline?? I suppose you'll say that Souness should have passed it off and just got on with it, yeah? Do you think Keegan would have done the same? Below is an extract from KK's autobiography: Taking that into account, I put it to you that had Keegan been the manager that day at Charlton last season, he'd have reacted along the same lines as Souness did. The main difference between two incidents is undeniably the player. Beresford showed remorse, apologised immediately and then publically and overall, knew he was in the wrong. Bellamy to this day will think he was right and justified - he wasn't. Whatever we think of Souness, and yes I can stand the bloke - he deserves the respect of his players and if they don't offer that, they deserve to suffer the consequences.

I fear the same - his health has deteriorated rapidly in the last couple of years and I watched that interview last night and had to remind myself that this is the same person who I watched in awe playing for Newcastle in the late 80s and the same person who set the world alight at Italia '90 Very, very sad and he's a shadow of his former self. Just to re-iterate the question, and I suppose the benefit of the doubt, could it be medication which was making him slur? He did sound wrecked like...

That'll work well in any appeal against his sacking... Watched the interview with him on SSN last night and he was slurring like fuck. Either he's back on the grog or some medication is having an affect. And what's this about him breaking his neck?

Just to side-track slightly, I pray to god that if that does happen, we don't see the same ridiculous out-pouring of grief that we've recently witnessed a la George Best. Gazza has always been referred to as England's George Best in that he was supremely talented yet ruined himself off the pitch. Can you imagine some sort of state-type funeral at somewhere like Durham Cathedral? I'd be cringing!

All that means is you've been taken in by the Souness propaganda machine. Sad really. What did you think of Bellamy prior to the arrival of Souness? Did you rate him? Did you see him as the catalyst ( along with Robert ) for the progress the team made under Robson when we became a top 6 side for 3 seasons? At the end of the day, the only thing Bellamy did ( 'wrong' in some people's opinion ) was to realise quite early on that Souness was a wanker........and say so. For me, there's nowt wrong with that. It's a shame he wasn't tough enough to give the incompetent fool a good kicking, the papers would have made a meal of it of course, and the self righteous pricks would have slagged Bellamy off. But I'd have loved it, just loved it, and so would many others because many of us know that Bellamy was right, and we've known it all along. 64653[/snapback] We've been here before HTL but for your benefit, I'll do it again... I used to berate Bellamy before Souness came here, I was in the minority but I felt that he was a disruptive little shite who did more bad than good. There was all the incidents when he was out on the town, then the chair-throwing at the airport. I can remember about the time of the Cardiff nightclub incident that I suggested it was time we cut our losses and cashed in on him - i didn't receive much support, particularly from the Welsh contingent, of which we had a few. Can't remember if you were a member but this is from the days of the old toon-chat (before the temporary forum). I didn't see him individually as the catalyst - I saw him as part of the team. Yes he was a fantastic asset on the pitch, but I'm no more sorry to see him go, than I was Gary Speed (who I feel overall was more influencial) Lets get one thing straight. Souness and Bellamy are two different individuals and consequently two different situations. Just because I don't like Bellamy, doesn't mean that I'm a fan of Souness, or drawn in by his so-called propaganda machine. Like I said, my dislike of Bellamy pre-dates September 2004.

Welcome back mate - hope all's well!

Whether Gascoigne was 'under the influence' or not, that's a nice caring chairman he was working for

How do you know 'for a fact'?? 64330[/snapback] Because I do, I obviously can't reveal my source though. It's true though. 64635[/snapback] Why not? Why's it obvious??