Papa Lazaru

Chocolate bars, statistically Gemmill has got to be the winner of this! As for the programme it is shite and filled with complete cocks who are there to try and be famous and (thanks to our current moronic society) actually have a chance of being famous. But it is watchable shite now and then, if theres nowt better on at night and i do find myself seeing bits of it here and there.

Correct, he's like most of the complete cocks in charge of organisations and the real reason he and people like him are bleating away like a bunch of dicks is because the premiership (via its chairmen) basically told them to fuck off and showed they have little power when it matters which to people like that is a big (and hilarious) humiliation.

I haven't seen a replay but in real time thats what i thought, looked like a complete dive that the linesman should have spotted.

And i might add that at least 3 barca players should have been booked for acting like pricks and waving imaginary cards at the ref!

I don't think the ref is anti arsenal or anything like that, he just made a stupid decision not to wait 2 seconds for the barca player to score and instead gave the foul, which obviously meant a red as it was an obvious sending off.

Unbelievable, he must have seen the barca player waiting for a tap in and had a couple of seconds to play it on. Still Lehman is a complete prick so him getting sent off is fine by me, but for the game 1-0 and 11 vs 11 was far better.

It's so much what he said but the words used. Do you not think it unfair to suggest Roeder is as good as a man off the street (despite the fact that he is UEFA 'A' qualified) and to then allude to Roeder's desire for the job being purely financial? 137618[/snapback] Theres also the fact that Roeder was taking it before the illness and has made it clear he will finish it as and when he can. And the fact that the qualification is a fucking joke and requires nothing whatoever of an individual to "pass it" meaning any "man of the street" could get it if he felt like wasting a few thousand grand on uefa and their mostly pointless course. Shepherd is quite frequently an embarassment though and should learn when to speak and when not, or think carefully about what he says. Though i have no problem with him sticking up for Roeder and having a go a Barnwell and the other managers who felt the need to stick their noses in when Roeder looked clear to get the job.

Is that early Cliff Richard, i can't quite place it?

Same bloke who rated Faye 137231[/snapback] You're source is Souness? Surely he is the only bloke who rated Faye!!!

hardly. everyone is allowed their own opinion in football. Ive played and coached at a higher level than most on here, ridicule me for saying it if you like but its true. Ive never said Bellamy isnt a good player. Just that hes not worth the hassle and hes not as good as a lot on here make out. I wish id never got into the whole comparing him with nistlerooy, rooney thing cos its got nowt to do with it tbh 137464[/snapback] Howard Wilkinson has coached at a higher level than anyone on here, doesn't stop him (like you) talking shite on footballing matters, so that is an entirely irrelivent statement. And based on your almost frightening lack of appreciation of what Bellamy's game is all about and what football in general requires from attackers i'd be disturbed to find you had done any coaching at all. Bellamy is as good as people make out on here because they are capable of separating the player from the personality (or the media/Souness view of his personality). He is worth the hassle but one fuckwitt manager couldn't handle it and worse came to the club having already decided to fuck Bellamy about and bring it to a fight which the manager would win. I bet you wish you hadn't got into the nistlerooy , rooney thing because people have again pointed out you're talking bollocks.

You're right it definitively should!

Same here, Roeder has shown even with all the injuries and taking over the mess fuckwit left that he can out do all the crap and average teams and challenge the ones just below the very best. We need to see how he does with new players, less injuries and a whole pre season + full competitive season. But i can't see us finishing below 6th at all.

Can't really understand that... surely that is something you adapt to, I know every time I moved up a notch when playing footie, adapting to how more physical things were was natural. However learning to control your legs and not trip over the ball learning to connect with the ball cleanly when you still can't do it after 5 years in the Premleague is a lot harder. 137063[/snapback] Once you're a grown man, which to be fair he is, other than doing some body building, he's not really going to change much in terms of beign knocked about. I would hope he does, but i can't see it, though i have said i don't think he's had even a faction of the chances Shola has to prove people wrong.

But he doesn't even show glimpses of being a premiership standard player. At least Shola does. If Ameobi left, and Chopra ended up playing every week, he'd become the new target for the boo boys. 137010[/snapback] Can guarentee that, the boo boys always need somebody! One thing that is a fact is that Chopra has never had the chances and runs in the team that Shola has to show whether he could improve and make it or not. However when i watch him sadly i just do not think he will make it. In his favour i think he's a pretty intelligent footballer, with good movement, enough pace and at reserve level at least an eye for goal. He also wins penalites Against him is the fact he seems to be brushed aside from games like a child alot of the time. And you feel this will always be the case.

That Van Nistelrooy's an angel, he'd never be kicked out for being a disruptive influence would he? 137051[/snapback] Until Souness says he's "a cancer" i'm afraid you can't expect people to then permanently ransack a blokes character and blame him for a whole club spiralling downwards. When Souness says Ruud is a twat then people like J69 can start to hate him and blame him for everything.

Give me Nislterooy over Bellamy aswell, people aren't obsessed over Bellamy when comparing him to a world class striker. But "cuntish twat" is your opinion and irrelivent to his contribution to NUFC on the pitch and "trouble making" is Souness' inability to handle him, other managers have and will manage just fine with Bellamy. But most people can see what a player brings other tha goals, not least asisist and opening space for team amtes with his runs and movment. As well as working his arse off for the team Bellamy is no Beardsley (few are) but Beardsley's game didn't begin and end with goals and anyone who said it did obviously wasn't watching him closely. Bellamy is the same in that his value to the team is not measured solely in goals, though goals are certainly something he is capable of gettign as he's shown a steady increase over the last few seasons.

Lampard? 137026[/snapback] Gerrard's the better singer tbh 137028[/snapback] Lampard has the nicer body 137031[/snapback] Lampard wins then!

Lampard? 137026[/snapback] Gerrard's the better singer tbh

The main reason for these arguments is because we already had him at our club, but one fuckwitt manager cost us him and for a pittance of a tranfer fee. Thats why he gets mentioned more than players of similar stature and ability and why he always will. As for saying if he'd stayed here we'd have had all sorts of problems, i suppose you mean the problems we had in the past of qualifying for the CL, of having pace in our attack and troublng defences and seeing a player who opposition defences hated marking. Or do you mean the "cancer at the club" Souness style problems where Bellamy is apparently capable of single-handedly destroying the entire fabric of a football club with his personality. One day people will relaise that at football clubs what you do on the pitch is ultimately what counts for results and often with your team mates. That all players don't have to get on and be in love with each other, just as in any job you don't like all your colleagues. And that under a competent manager Bellamy is not a big problem. Which is why the team spirit didin't mirraculously improve when he left (unless you actually are stupid enough to swallow Souness' crap) and why Blackburn's, Celtics, wales, and in the past Norwich's team spirits haven't been destroyed.

Agree on Saha, he has done well at Fulham and manu when fit and Fergie rates him well enough. Also Lua Lua whilst i wouldn't want him as first choice striker as backup he'd be fine. Distin i haven't watched anywhere near enough of at man city to really say if i'd take him back.

Agree, we can't take a massive loss on him and Boomsong and i know which one i want out of the door first! I'd be happy enough for Luque to stay and se what he can do next season, but if good money was on offer and we had a player lined up then a sale may make sense. As for what Lee said, it isn't harsh at all, he expressed him opinion that we should seel those players and alot of people agree with him.

You actually need a "I can't read peoples posts properly" smiley. At no point have i ever said he's coming back, because he isn't, though he should be. Owen is Shearer's replacement, not Bellamy's if you need that explained to you theres a previous thread or seven somewhere else with the points outlined so simply even you may just about grasp them. As for him being a prick, well i haven't spent much time in his company so unlike others i won't claim to know for 100% his entire character and how he behaves every minute of his life. But even if you are right (by the law of averages you have to be once in your life) nobody gives a shit if the team is better off. Keane and Cantona are two of the biggest pricks to have worn any teams shirt they also made manu far better for their presence and so their manager put up with their downside (including assaulting fans, tryign to deliberately end a players career and numerous other offences). Go through any team, there will be pricks in there because alot of footballers are, however the better managers keep them because of what they offer, and the Souness' of the world can't handle them and act like a bigger prick than any player and kick them out. The fact that you in all seriousness think Bellamy wouldn't have made a difference here or has made much of a difference at Blackburn is actually the biggest load of shite i've heard on here, so i apologise for saying your earlier efforts were the biggest.

You can't truly be a big club without having success. Anyone who uses the term "sleeping giant" is a patronising oaf. 136028[/snapback] I agree with you about that, the "sleeping giant" along with comments about how great fans are and feeling sorry for them etc. is often patronising, though i think the odd commentator/media type does actually maen it! But with me its not because i'm a toon fan that i think we're a big club, i apply it to others as well, but i think its separate from success. To be a truly massive global club then yes i think you'd need a few trophies in recent times, including a european 1 as well to get your name and rep around the world and increase your fanbase round the world. But to be a big club for me can be attributed if on matters of size and finace without success. And to be honest success could be said to include CL qualification and regularly qualifying for and playing in europe which actually requires more of you than say a flukey run in the league cup against weakened sides and lower division teams.

It's a shame Bobby Robson hadn't been younger, because when he started out at Ipswich he says he wacked one or two players who thought they would challenge his authority, because he was new and young, so he certainly wasn't a soft touch then. The vast majority of managers would have saw Bellamy as difficult, sure, but they would have managed him and got him on their side I reckon. 136018[/snapback] Even Carver, who had the much publicised scrap with Bellamy stuck up for him. 136023[/snapback] Yeah, unlike Souness he was a bloke who wanted whats best for NUFC and also as a mature adult he put the incident behind them and got on with doing his job and letting Bellamy do his. Strange that a man who supposedly had Bellamy throw a chair at him can see it was best for the club to keep him and play him yet people who see nothig whatsoever of the day to day events of the football club, its players and managers feel qualified to state as fact that Bellamy is trouble, to blame for all the clubs ills and that everybody at the club hates him!

I see people (well mainly one person) are still struggling with the english language. Its two different words, one is BIG (apertaining to size irrespective of success) the other is succesful (apertaining to success irrespective of size). I fail to see how this is so hard to understand for people of any level of intelligence. No toon fan is (or ever would) claim to be on the same planet as Liverpool in terms of sucess, however those of us who can decipher the difference between big and succesful have pointed out that there are several clubs in this country who are big (or potentially big) clubs. And it wasn't just based on attendance if posts were read correctly (which clearly they weren't), it was based on crowds, turnover, value of club, money spent and other factors.