Papa Lazaru

Read PL's post to explain what I meant. Liverpool is a similar sized city to Newcastle (I'm including North Tyneside and Gateshead in that), and the people are no more fanatical about football than us - probably less so in fact. They have to "share" their support with another big and relatively successful club, Everton (not to mention about another 10 clubs within 50 miles). True, they have a sizable international and ex-pat support, but so do we. We get bigger crowds, despite not being successful. So please tell me, without talking about trophies recently won (again, see PL's post), how are they a bigger club than us? 135972[/snapback] The mackems are also a big club. The fact they have been run like a crappy corner shop for decades doesn't change that fact. Taking the Tyne and Wear region as a whole, we share support the same as Everton and Liverpool over Merseyside. The difference between us and Liverpool is only that Liverpool have been successful, massively successful, having appointed a man back in 1958 who laid down the club they still have today. Jealous ? Of course, but its true. Newcastle and Sunderland should both be in the countries top clubs, and should always have been. 135973[/snapback] Agree, both us and the mackems if run properly from way back would be established in the mythic "big 5" and would have trophies to macth Liverpool, Everton, arsenal et al But a combination of bad luck and bad managment (from top to bottom) have seen both clubs fail to ever reach their potential. Thers only really manu who could claim that at full potential they would be bigger than the others and thats hard to test unless you take away all their success. But all the rest, the Pools, arsenals, us, the mackems etc. when run correctly and fullfilling their potential wouldn't have much between them.

So Robson was a fuckwit as well then? 135952[/snapback] You mean Robson who said Bellamy had him tearing his hair out but who he would always pick and laways get out there on the pitch becasue despite the problems managing him he would tranform your team with what he did on the pitch. No, Bobby wasn't a fuckwitt becasue he did rate Bellamy the player and so on balance that you put up with the rest for the benefit of the team.

Hence the footballing world tripping over themselves to sign him?? At such a paltry fee as well, we are led to believe?? Blackburn Rovers - says your argument doesn't hold true, Papa L 135955[/snapback] Souness and Shepherd as we all know ripped him apart in the press, saying he was almost single-handedly responsible for all NUFC's problems, they blamed him for disrupting the entire club, said he wasn't that good and didn't score many goals and numerous other things. And i've never said he was an angel, so with their efforts why are people surprised few clubs came in for him when he'd hammered for weeks in the press. Also as somebody said his injury record isn't perfect so theres an elememt of gamble there to keep some clubs out of the running. And much as i rate him as a player clubs like arse and manu do have better strikers like Henry and Van Nistleroy and i wouldn't expect them to neccesarilly go for him. But you can bet now he's shown exactly how good he is and what a load of bollocks Souness was talking that clubs will be interested, it just remains to be seen whether Blackburn sell or not.

Hitzfeld wants a bit longer to look at all the golf courses. 135933[/snapback] He's also been doing some geaneology to trace his roots and found he has a distant ancestor who was a geordie meaning that he's now "got a feel for the club and city" and is good enough for the job. His previous record of CL wins and numerous titles wasn't enough for Fred but if he can be passed off as a gerdie he's in!

I wanted West Ham to win, I would have prefered to see the joy on faces not used to winning silverware rather than yet another trophy for the reds. Lets face it, winning the Champions League from 3 goals down against Milan is going to take the gloss off coming from 'only' 2 down against 'mere' West Ham. Or any other cup win come to that, it simply won't get any better than that night in Istanbul. However, I do find it fascinating that some clubs (particularly Liverpool) can keep that winning mentality (they know how to win trophies if you like, don't let pressure effect them) no matter how many changes of players/ managers/ back-room staff thery have. Other clubs (ourselves, Inter Milan maybe?) can throw money around until the cows come home and never win anything because we lack that mental edge. 135915[/snapback] totally agree. Keegan said the 1st trophy will overcome a huge psychological barrier and he's exactly right. 135922[/snapback] Its true, never mind the title we should have had, if we had just fluked a run through to and won a cup final it would have broken a massive barrier and lead surely to more trophies.

Fucking Shakira! Is it worse that you knew that, or that I recognised it? Although I thought she said, "So you don't confuse them...with my bum" 135921[/snapback] That would make more sense but its mountains which to be fair is a funnier line!

In terms of support. In terms of our revenue less than 3 years ago. Notts Forest are a huge club, are they? 135918[/snapback] Its a strange thing in football theres for soem reason a problem separating the two entirely different words big and successful. NUFC are a big club, in terms of stadium size, average crowd, revenue, turnover, money spent on players/wages etc. They are big in terms of profile nationally and to a lesser extent worldwide, and have had enough high profile players and managers. For quite a while now we have been in europe nearly every year. And we have massive potential. We are a big club. However in recent and indeed not so recent times we have in terms of winning trophies, not been a successful club and would never claim that we have been. But this is completely separate from size. Its the same as the argument that you're not a great player if you haven't won trophies, which concludes that Shearer isn't as good as Phil Neville. A great player is great irespective of how many trophies the have or haven't won and an average or shite player doesn't become great just because they happened to be part of a great team who won trophies.

Im sure this was said tongue in cheek but you have got more chance of shearer coming out of retirement at sunderland than bellamy coming back here. The board, the players, most fans and most likely the manager hate him with a passion. he wouldnt be safe to walk the streets on a night in the north east. Its been over a year now since he left and he aint coming back, never ever, no matter how much people bang on about it 135848[/snapback] all incorrect 135870[/snapback] Yet its impressive that Souness' bullshit (and the lack of brains amongst some people)is such that they still spout this stuff. One player (Shearer) possibly hates him though i haven't heard this from Shearer's mouth myself, but lets give them this one. None of the other players came out against Bellamy, whereas Hughes, Robert, Kluivert, Bramble, Bernard and others all spoke up for him as a player and often as a person Ex managers spoke up for him as well, but what would they know! Roeder had little or nothign to do with Bellamy but he also isn't one of Souness braindead cronies so he will have either no opinion on Bellamy or he will have his own opinion reached on the basis of him as a player. As for most fans, i haven't spoken to them all but that is also bollocks. Theres a large number of toon fans who wory about what players give you on the pitch instead of listening to the words of a twat of a manager and his cronies, they would want Bellamy here. Theres also a large number of fans who probaly hate him or at least dislike him as a person but still have the sense to see the team is better of with him anf thats what counts. There are some fans who wouldn't have him back, thats their choice and i have no problem with it. As for the board Fat Fred has already said in the past that he backed the manager, but if the boss wanted him to stay he could have. So the statement: The board, the players, most fans and most likely the manager hate him with a passion. he wouldnt be safe to walk the streets on a night in the north east. Is one of the biggest loads of shite i've heard on here and thats saying something!

Its shocking and embarassing that grown men in footy organisations behave like petty little twats as has been said! I just hope it doesn't continue because through no fault of Zog's or NUFC's we could end up with him thinking to play for his country he has to leave here, some way down the line mind.

Yeah whats the world coming to, a striker having alot of self confidence, good job Shearer was such a shrinkign violet as a player and didn't see himself in anyway important! The best strikers are supremely confident, they have to be, bordering on, but hopefully not too arrogant as you don't have to be that. As for the laughing, what Linker said was funny, making a joke of a particular situation involving Bellamy and Shearer, they laughed, big deal! Its no different to the previous week when they took the piss out of Wenger (on national TV) by faking a photo of him as a chef to imply he posiened the spurs team, but since he's not Bellamy its just a bit of fun and not laughing at somebody who the footballing world "regard as a tool" The "footballing world" all (bar fuckwitt souness) rate him as a player, rate his workrate and effort for his team (and strike partners) whilst acknowledgeing he can be a handful, has his problems but with the right manager (ie. not a fuckwitt) he is a massive asset.

Great match and either side deserved a win, just a shame it wasn't won by a goal in open play but pens instead. As soon as Harewood missed that easy rebound i knew Liverpool would win on pens, thats the way footy works sadly! But you won't see a better cup final for god knows how long.

Massive exhaustion due to finally reaching your capacity for contiunous wanking is not glandular fever Jimbo!!!

Allow me to pre-empt. 134995[/snapback] If my only contribution to the old forum was the introduction this picture, i consider it a worthy one 135497[/snapback] What annoys me about this picture is that everytime its posted people keep quoting it so it appears time and time again, well its disgusting and its got to stop! 135571[/snapback] Dirty bummers, castrate them. 135573[/snapback] Stop it, you're making the pic appear again!

Allow me to pre-empt. 134995[/snapback] If my only contribution to the old forum was the introduction this picture, i consider it a worthy one 135497[/snapback] What annoys me about this picture is that everytime its posted people keep quoting it so it appears time and time again, well its disgusting and its got to stop!

Yeah as a Keeper, he is only coming into his peak now and will be at the top for the length of this contract and possibly beyond.

No, that's selfish and defeats the point imo (no offence to anyone who's done it). Btw, my wife clocked my registry office next time comment in the other thread - not impressed. 135461[/snapback] My sister had her's abroad and about 10 of us went. The members of the family who aren't so close missed out on a day of free food and drink. Big deal. Plus, it was probably cheaper. I think massive do's are a scandalous waste of money with people often getting into debt for their 'big day'. I just don't get that. And I'm not tight, I'd rather just spend the money in other ways. You get taken to the cleaners when you have a wedding in the UK as I'm sure you can testify to. 135466[/snapback] You make a good point there, but then why have a wedding at all? Surely everyone you care about should witness it. Besides, wedding parties in resort hotels piss me off. I was unfortunate to be in the same hotel as a bunch of charvers getting married in St Lucia last year. 135470[/snapback] I don't think it defeats the purpose. Personally, if I got married I wouldn't want many people there at all. I know it's a public declaration, but I think it's quite a personal thing. I'd be quite embarrassed by it all. No big white wedding for me and there would be no £60 a head lunch. Weekends for me will involve decorating my house - which I want to get started on but simply haven't had the time. 135517[/snapback] Wowee...what a gal There's nowt wrong with a quiet register office wedding. It makes a lot of sense. Most blokes will find they do what the bride wants. Strange but a lot of blokes also quite like a big wedding too I would think, some lads I've known over the years have been pleased to have a big wedding, so its an individual thing but the bride calls the shots, if she wants a big wedding she will invariably get it. 135539[/snapback] Tbh most people seem to completely miss whats supposed to be important about the wedding, the part about the two people (in theory at least!) making a commitment to spend the rest of their lives together. Thats whats supposed to be special. How it becamse only special when you waste thousands of pounds on needless ceremony, food, drink, holidays abroad and anything else you name i don't know, but thats the way its went. A simple ceremony with a few important people such as family and close friends there to witness it and some sort of party afterwards would seem to me to make sense and then instead of wasting all that money you have it there to invest in your future. Plus as an atheist i'm not likely to want to spend my time standing ina church listening to a priest rattling on about god and the bible!

I can't remember it in detail but know i saw it and enjoyed it, definately worth a repeat which i don't think it's had.

Exactly. And people thought Souness would sign Neill, Stead, Amoruso, etc. yet signed Parker, Emre & Owen. 135524[/snapback] A "big name" boss with a reputation can help, but you don't need it. The fact we are invariably in europe (Souness period aside), that we have a massive ground full every week, that we have (or had) players like Shearer, Owen etc. and finally the massive wages we will offer are all reasons why players will come whether they even know who Roeder is or not.

As i wasn't involved in the pre-match plannign i cam't say for sure, but it seemed to me to be a case of: Play the mach properly for 90 mins competitively with the guarentee that when the injury time was announce both teams would ensure Big Al got a penalty. Because right up until the board came out i notice a few times when Cletic broke up our attacks and countered and i was thinking, there isn't long for his pen here lads! Now i suspect that they would probably ensure his pen "meant something" so if Celtic had somehow got 2 or 3 ahead we'd have been helped back into the game! But it seemed like they were playing properly till 90 mins was up with slight question marks over the Celtic defending as Sir Les wandered to the byline, but not definately rigging it on that one.

Graham Taylor was in awe if it but also what he said was excellent, showed a genuine understanding of why Big Al stayed with us and what the supporters up here are about.

She's appealing isn't she ? 135052[/snapback] Not very, you can hardly see any of her in her outfit! But appeals are another thing wrong with our legal system. Once a decision has been made by the due legal process through a court of law that should be it, unless some new and important evidence or change of events occurs. Or else what is the point of any decision if you can then just waste more time and money appealing it when nothign has changed at all from when the original verdict was reached.

I am still amazed about how angry some people get when talking about him. He certainly was a waster in the sense that he could have provided much more due to his talent. Overall I'd still say he was a success. We got rid of him at the right time, though. But I still think that it wasn't him who was the selfish person when the tosser axed him from the squad against Lisbon. 135050[/snapback] Summed Souness up, would rather fuck the clubs (and us fans) chance of success by weakening the team on the ev of a crucial match as long as it satisfied his petty, childish, arrogant and moronic personality. The fact we have paid souness millions to shit all over our club will not be forgotten i suspect, especially in the following years when we try to regain all the ground that fucker cost us in relation to rival teams in the prem.

I knew there was one more. After all Paxman has got nothing on Mark Lawrenson and Ray Stubbs!!!

Was that in a tough, challenging interview he did with Michael "Arsekisser" Parkinson? Or any of his other challenging interviews with Des O' Connor, Richard and Judy, Little Ant and Dec etc. He certianly doesn't fear getting the tough questions does he!

It didn't need to go to court at all. Even ignoring the fact the muslim council had already aproved the uniform with regards to their religion the simple fact is a school can decide on its choice of uniform and you either abide by their rules and remain at the school or you ignore their rules and leave the school. You don't need all the time, effort and expense to taxpayers of a court case because one girl doesn't like her school uniform. You give her a simple choice follow the rules and go to the school, or leave the school and stop moaning about it. My school uniform included a tie, at no point would i expect to be able to take the school to court because i didn't like wearing one, i accepted their rules. And just because her argument was about religion doesn't make it any more valid whatsoever than mine whether she likes it or not. Religion can't (or shouldn't) be grounds to pick what you do and don't like about rules and regulations made by the state and fortunately the court agreed with this on this occasion. 135018[/snapback] If you want to live in a free soceity you're going to have to accept that people can challenge the interpretation of the law. The legal system clarified the last sentence of your post, and now a precedent has been set it can't happen again. It was a price worth paying imo. Or we could just have totalitarianism instead to save a few quid. 135028[/snapback] A fair point you've made there, though do you really think that will be the last and you won't see a very similar case or cases in the future allowed to go to court, i supect there will be. My main problem with it is probably the religous angle. Whatever religion it is people should never be allowed to use it to challenge the law as other people subscribe to different religions or no religion at all. And religion is nothing but unproven/unprovable faith and belief and why the hell should that allow you to dicate (or attempt to dicate) laws other people may have to follow when they share none of your unproven beliefs. 135033[/snapback] I agree comletely. Of course, this government is making matters worth with their support of faith schools, and even allowing a member of opus dei to be minister for equality! Jesus wept! 135040[/snapback] That is a disgrace, expecting a fanatical/devout catholic extremist to be fair to gays and lesbians who she sees as sinners and against god. And in a recent interview she twice turned down the chance to state she doesn't think they are sinners, which is a blatant statement she does have a problem with them because she would have said she didn't if that were the case. Of course aside from religion how does she (and other cabinet minsisters) walk into another important and highly paid job when they've show themselves to be incompitent fuckwitts in their last job!!! If i fucked up in my job on a massive scale the last thing i'd expect would be to get another job of similar standing on the same money, i'd expect to be sacked!