David Kelly

He couldn't get his bloated fingers to fit a keyboard tbh.

I was going to start a thread on this myself but I decided the fact that Oliver is such a moronic arse licking wanker is harly news to any of us. He's our generations version of that nazi propeganda bloke from the war!

He was fucking gash wasn't he. He made Barnes look good.

Shows him as a moron tbh as Winter is comfortably the best british football journalist about. In your opinion. You can answer t-Keiths question if you like and give us a sample of your knowledge. Why we are a laughing stock? Where do I begin Incompetent manager that no other Premiership team would ever dream of appointing Abysmal transfer policy that has seen us spunk £20m on forwards who couldn't hit a cows arse with a shovel Abysmal recruitment policy that has appointed players/coaches out of mere sentimentality This coupled with the most shambolic back four, shortest midfield and weakest forward line this side of the equator. Enough? That wasn't the question to T-Keith. How come a smart lad like you can't read ? How dare you accuse someone of dodging questions. You do it all the time. this extract is ages old, and has been done, dusted and responded. Suffice to say when people are removed from office they are usually bitter, the claim from the same Bobby Robson that we made a profit on Carl Cort tells you a lot about him at the time, and I'm not knocking him. The lesson as I said is that people thought replacing Keegan with a "tactically astute" manager would automatically improve things, the same as those who thought replacing SBR would too. You should try learning from past lessons, of our own and others, and get real. Now people like you think replacing this current board who have improved the clubs standing and position massively will also lead to automatic improvement. You are completely deluded if you think this. What do you think of the thread you started, why don't YOU comment on the facts I've posted ? I don't dodge questions if I see them, I don't trawl this board all day like Alex and others. I told you, if you want me to specifically see something, pm me or post it on howaythetoon. The question remains for t-keith, or you if you like. Somehow I don't think I will get a factual, constructive and informed response from anybody. Wasn't this actually SJH who did this though? Since the fat man has been in charge we have changed managers 5 times and fell from being the second best team in the country to one that's not a kick in arse off being relegated with a defence that is (whether you accept it or not) the butt of countless jokes. And last night we saw our lowest attendance for a first team game in 14 years. I'm sure you will go on about regular european appearances and 5th best team in the country or whatever but again I would say that is down to the foundations laid down by the previous chairman not by our current glorious leader. Read my post elsewhere that it wasn't Sir John who chose and appointed Keegan. Come back when you have read it. Although, it never ceases to amaze me why some of you people think the chairman runs the club on his own and makes every decision. You do understand he is simply the focus of the whole board, and in essence our major shareholders have been the same people since 1992 ? Or don't you. If "countless jokes" hurts your feelings, see my post yesterday which applied to all of those who don't understand that everybody makes jokes about other clubs. Don't worry about it, next week they will be jealous of us when we play in europe again. They only do it to wind you up, or maybe you attract it by telling everybody how underachieving and shit we are despite playing in europe regularly, buying major England players, and how great we really should be. Just like Shepherd does actually. Do you ever watch any football shows on the telly or listen to the radio? Do you honestly believe that when people on here say that we are being made the joke of football they are talking about a few makems or whatever taking the piss at work? We are a joke for people within the game not just the man in the street and no my feelings aren't hurt by this but I am seriously pissed off at the reasons these jokes are being made. And the majority of them stem from the fat mans "leadership"

Shows him as a moron tbh as Winter is comfortably the best british football journalist about. In your opinion. You can answer t-Keiths question if you like and give us a sample of your knowledge. Why we are a laughing stock? Where do I begin Incompetent manager that no other Premiership team would ever dream of appointing Abysmal transfer policy that has seen us spunk £20m on forwards who couldn't hit a cows arse with a shovel Abysmal recruitment policy that has appointed players/coaches out of mere sentimentality This coupled with the most shambolic back four, shortest midfield and weakest forward line this side of the equator. Enough? That wasn't the question to T-Keith. How come a smart lad like you can't read ? How dare you accuse someone of dodging questions. You do it all the time. this extract is ages old, and has been done, dusted and responded. Suffice to say when people are removed from office they are usually bitter, the claim from the same Bobby Robson that we made a profit on Carl Cort tells you a lot about him at the time, and I'm not knocking him. The lesson as I said is that people thought replacing Keegan with a "tactically astute" manager would automatically improve things, the same as those who thought replacing SBR would too. You should try learning from past lessons, of our own and others, and get real. Now people like you think replacing this current board who have improved the clubs standing and position massively will also lead to automatic improvement. You are completely deluded if you think this. What do you think of the thread you started, why don't YOU comment on the facts I've posted ? I don't dodge questions if I see them, I don't trawl this board all day like Alex and others. I told you, if you want me to specifically see something, pm me or post it on howaythetoon. The question remains for t-keith, or you if you like. Somehow I don't think I will get a factual, constructive and informed response from anybody. Wasn't this actually SJH who did this though? Since the fat man has been in charge we have changed managers 5 times and fell from being the second best team in the country to one that's not a kick in arse off being relegated with a defence that is (whether you accept it or not) the butt of countless jokes. And last night we saw our lowest attendance for a first team game in 14 years. I'm sure you will go on about regular european appearances and 5th best team in the country or whatever but again I would say that is down to the foundations laid down by the previous chairman not by our current glorious leader.

Robert Lee

Doesn't sound like it to me tbh, if that were the cast it would never be made public knowledge My thoughts exactly when I read that. "I don't want to look like I'm trying to get sympathy.....but can I have some sympathy?"

I'm ashamed to say I've turned into a total part time fan. I'm struggling with cash at the minute and it's taking enough of my bloody energy going to the games I've already paid for, nevermind additional ones. I'm exactly the same.

All I've ever heard is tittle tattle and hearsay. If anyone has any concrete evidence of bad things he's supposed to have done, I'd like to hear it. Surely that should be more than enough for you to give an opinion

Why will it be so difficult to find a chairman who is better than the fat man? What exactly are the achivements of the man? When he took over after Hall we had a team capable of challenging for the league (the only time in my 30 years that we have ever been able to say that) and were well on the way to producing one of the best stadiums in the league. Since he took over he has made one disasterous mangerial appointment after which has lead to our current position of the biggest joke in the premiership if not the whole of English football. He has managed to oversee the completion of the stadium but he is hardly the man responsible for it. As far as I can see his only acomplishment is the new training facilities which were long overdue and should have been in place sooner. I fail to see why it should be so hard to find a chairman who can do better than him (for considerably less money too) with the resources we have available. No doubt you will be able to name countless chairmen who over the same period as Shepherd has been in charge have led teams to lower league position and or relegation but how many of them have had his resources or pay?

The worry is that people who listen to music that's on the radio day in day out are the type of people who would most likely name their favourite albums as whoevers greatest hits because they cannot be bothered to listen to the artists catalogue and discover anything they haven't already heard. These types will undoubtly utilise the oppertunity to reduce their expenditure and only download the songs they hear on the radio. I would suspect that the more casual music listener will provide the major record labels with a large portion of their revenue and because of that we may see them becoming less interested in their artists spending any time and money developing albums that will no longer sell in the quantities they previously did. This may in time see many 'artists' phasing out the album in favour of single releases. Personally I wouldn't be too concerned as the artists I listen to (such as many of those mentioned Patrokles) are generally not heard on the radio and signed to independent record lables who I would assume make almost all of their revenue from album sales and would therefor be much more resistant to change.

Didn't the Hartlepool fans hate Newell despite him taking them up?

It's good to see the national press picking up on this and even better to see us not being labelled as being quick to turn fans that have too high expectations for a change.

Anyone got any idea of who the other party is supposed to be?

Unless they're not interested in the game, I think the Portsmouth game will be fucking hard. Are many of you going by the way? A couple of seasons ago I would never have missed it (I wouldn't have missed it if we have been playing Crewe) but the way things are going there is just no way I will fork out the extra cash to. Tbh I probably won't even watch the highlights unless by some miracle we win. I still haven't seen anything of Sunday's game.

The club has been rapidly falling apart ever since we failled to see of Partizan in the Champions League qualifier a few years ago. Since then the performances have gone progressively worse and the entertainment has dropped to next to nowt. It's barely worth going to the match any more as we are not enjoying anything but the pre/post match drinks with our mates. Yes there is certainly risk inherent with any take over but we are now in serious danger of the fat get taking us down but more importantly we are looking like losing a significant portion of our own fans to apathy and boredom. I for one welcome anything at this stage that has even the most remote possiblilty of bringing us something to get enthusiastic about again.

Spiderland is the math-rock grandaddy! I thought it was the post rock grand pop?

Slint are fantastic (I think Meenzer will agree) but I always thought of them as post tbh.

Simple answer. We have no alternatives. Of course we do. Krul could have played last night, we could be playing Rossi and Le Sib a lot more and we could stick a plank of wood in the ground for a rightback. Ok it's not ideal but it's better than playing blokes who can't move properly.

Parker looked completely fucked last night. When he went forward he was really struggling to get back and was basically just jogging along and not watching the game. For the record, I like Emre a lot, I think he's a talented footballer who also works hard. But I don't think we see a lot of end product from what he does and I think this is basically down to the fact that he is just not suited to our team. I can't see a way of getting much out of him with the other players we have and playing in a 4-4-2.

Peter Bjorn & John - Writers Block

What happened to Roeder's shite about not playing injured players? It was obvious from the off that Harper was fucked and Shola's been playing injured all season same as Carr.

Metallic Falcolns - Desert Doughnuts

Is that Chris Evans with his hood off?

The Bernard thing is beyond a joke now. He's never been injured just not as fit as we'd like him to be! He's played umpteen reserve and closed door games and yet he's still not considered! The club yet again shows itself to be a complete joke.