David Kelly

Are you sure that's actually his and not someone from Ramage Haulage? I know for a fact that the bloke who owns them (Mr Ramage himself) has a fleet of cars like that and has a licence plate something like that. They have a site near the training ground too. But asside from that if it is our Ramage's and he can afford it then fair enough. There are and have been much bigger wasters at the club who have put far less effort in than him that will have a hell of a lot more money than him!

I would hate to see what position we would be in today if it hadn't been for such an average player as Ramage. I've lost count of the amount of times that he he has pulled our centreback's out of the shit covering their cockups. Yes his distribution isn't great and he doesn't have a fullback's natural instincts but he does show an excellent reading of the game defensively and regularly covers his team mates errors. How good he is or can be will only be seen when he has players with him who are actually earning their wages but so far this season there are only him and Taylor who have looked anything like premiership defenders in our ranks.

As long as we don't get twatted I'd be happy. I don't like saying I'd be happy with a close defeat but looking at the bigger picture at the moment, coming away with our heads up is what's most urgent.

I think if Roder did end up getting the job we would most likely see Shearer take over a year or so later.

Because he led Germany to defeat in the war which in turn led to the country being split in two for forty odd years, had most of his allies turn against him and had to commit suicide? Mind you he did build the autobhans!

It's down the left-hand side of the Music Store homepage... 101826[/snapback] Cheers Cath. Does that only come up if your logged into your itunes account because I'm sure it wasn't there before.

I think I'm missing something. Where is the redeem thing on Itunes?

Mountains - Sewn Absolutely beautiful music.

Liars - Drums Not Dead. Could well be the album of the year. Absolutely fantastic.

None of the camera angles did justice to the goal for me. I was basically right behind Nobby and the swerve was immense. As had already been said you knew it was in all the way. With regards to Shearer. Regardless of how finished he is (and I do think he is on his last legs) he does help create space up front for others just by his presence. With just Shola up there it's been very difficult for Emre and Nobby to find anyone in much space. Whether this is down to it being Shearer up there or whether it would be the same with any other forward is open to debate like.

Didn't it? He struggled with the demands of Premiership football in his first season, only excelling in Europe, which he knew well. 101101[/snapback] Surely you would accept the sort of league struggle and European campain Benitez managed last season?

How did you know the ladies name for me?

Dead right.

No room for sentiment mate. Liverpoo got rid of Hoolia despite winning 5 trophies. The signs were there and this is one thing I do blame FS for, he wasn't ruthless enough. 99363[/snapback] I don't think it's being sentimental to allow someone who took us from relegation fodder to a second consecutive top four finish, another season just because he had made some iffy decisions. What he had done before suggested he could get us back on track (especially as we were hardly off it in the first place). What was sentimental was allowing him to continue on the begining of the season after when he had allowed the team to fall well below the standards he had set and after he had shown that he had little idea of how to put things right. 99371[/snapback] I'm not saying he made some 'iffy' decisions. Where do you get that from? What I'm saying is that the evidence on the pitch during the latter stages of that season showed that Robson could take the club no further. The following season proved it for god's sake. If the Chairman had recognised that and kept Robson on for the reason you state, then that IS sentment. Everybody I know believes that when we finished 3rd the performances generally were poorer than when we finished 4th the year before. Surely you remember that period? Everybody I spoke to on match days thought this, and people were banging on about it on nufc boards all over the shop at the time. 99378[/snapback] That was my opininion and I wasn't trying to attribute it to you. I think he made some iffy decisions that resulting in our football suffering a bit that season but didn't imo suggest he couldn't take us any futher. I agree his actions of the next season did prove that though and he should have gone then. In a way that showed respect for what he did for us and his standing in the game. It is not sentiment keeping a bloke on who took us to third. Every one makes some mistakes and not firing them for each one is not sentiment. 99397[/snapback] I'm not advocating anyone should be sacked for a 'mistake' per se. I'm saying that, in my opinion, the signs were there during the season we finished 3rd that he'd lost the players, that he wouldn't be able to take us further. It clearly IS sentiment to then recognise that and keep a manager on because of the fact he improved our team. 99402[/snapback] Ok it would have been sentiment for you to keep him on since you new he wasn't up to it any more. For the rest of us who thought he'd just made a couple of mistakes and didn't see any reason why he couldn't rectify them it wasn't. Happy with that? 99604[/snapback] Not sure what your point is, tbh. The tone of your post sounds a bit juvenile to say the least. If you're trying to suggest I'm saying I was the only one who could see this you'd be badly mistaken again. At that time I was involved in comversation with lots of people on matchdays, as I'm sure you are as well, many people thought we weren't as good that season as when we finished 4th and many thought the players were not performing to 100% for Robson. If you didn't see it., or people near you didn't see it, then that's your problem. Perhaps you spend most of your time in the bar, or something. 99883[/snapback] Fist of all your mistaking my attempt lightening the tone with a little but of humour for me being juvenile but I don't care tbh so neh! Secondly I am not saying that you were (or that you claimed to be)the only one who saw problems or that we weren't playing as well that season as we were the season before. Many people saw that. What I am saying is that you appear to be the only one (certainly the only one that I have ever heard say it) who thought that Robson couldn't overcome these problems or get us back on track. He had done a fantasic job taking us from where we were when he came to the point where we could be a bit disapointed by the way we had performed in a season where we had finished third in the league and got through to the second phase of champions league for the first time in our history beating one of the giants of European football on the way. The majority were completely happy with what he had done and even those of us who saw some problems thought they weren't massive and that SBR could sort them out. Because of this I am saying that it was not sentiment to keep him on but a belief given is past record that he could still do the job we wanted him to do. It did however become apparent to me and a many more during the next season that belief missplaced and that you were right all along. (Yes the tone of that last bit was a bit juvenile )

No room for sentiment mate. Liverpoo got rid of Hoolia despite winning 5 trophies. The signs were there and this is one thing I do blame FS for, he wasn't ruthless enough. 99363[/snapback] I don't think it's being sentimental to allow someone who took us from relegation fodder to a second consecutive top four finish, another season just because he had made some iffy decisions. What he had done before suggested he could get us back on track (especially as we were hardly off it in the first place). What was sentimental was allowing him to continue on the begining of the season after when he had allowed the team to fall well below the standards he had set and after he had shown that he had little idea of how to put things right. 99371[/snapback] I'm not saying he made some 'iffy' decisions. Where do you get that from? What I'm saying is that the evidence on the pitch during the latter stages of that season showed that Robson could take the club no further. The following season proved it for god's sake. If the Chairman had recognised that and kept Robson on for the reason you state, then that IS sentment. Everybody I know believes that when we finished 3rd the performances generally were poorer than when we finished 4th the year before. Surely you remember that period? Everybody I spoke to on match days thought this, and people were banging on about it on nufc boards all over the shop at the time. 99378[/snapback] That was my opininion and I wasn't trying to attribute it to you. I think he made some iffy decisions that resulting in our football suffering a bit that season but didn't imo suggest he couldn't take us any futher. I agree his actions of the next season did prove that though and he should have gone then. In a way that showed respect for what he did for us and his standing in the game. It is not sentiment keeping a bloke on who took us to third. Every one makes some mistakes and not firing them for each one is not sentiment. 99397[/snapback] I'm not advocating anyone should be sacked for a 'mistake' per se. I'm saying that, in my opinion, the signs were there during the season we finished 3rd that he'd lost the players, that he wouldn't be able to take us further. It clearly IS sentiment to then recognise that and keep a manager on because of the fact he improved our team. 99402[/snapback] Ok it would have been sentiment for you to keep him on since you new he wasn't up to it any more. For the rest of us who thought he'd just made a couple of mistakes and didn't see any reason why he couldn't rectify them it wasn't. Happy with that?

I agree with that although I do think he can offer more in an attacking sense (especially at home) than he did last night.

Parker was quiet and I think he got mom because a. there were no obvious candidates (I thought Shola and Bramble looked good first half but that's about it) and b. he had been getting a bit of stick from the Charlton fans so it was done to piss them off. I think Bowyer alongside him actually hurt the way Parker played last night. Because Bowyer was flying forward he felt he had to sit even more and not get forward himself.

I can't beleive he is a bad as what he looks at the moment, you simply don't get to play for Spain if you are. But he just doesn't look like he fits in with the rest of the team. He looks like an outsider and as such he can't seem to get himself motivated. I'm sure it doesn't help that he found himself basically the 6th choice to play up front at the minute or that every slight error is met with groans from the crowd. But at the end of the day it's up to him to show more than he is and at the moment it looks he can't do that and the sooner we sell him the better.

No room for sentiment mate. Liverpoo got rid of Hoolia despite winning 5 trophies. The signs were there and this is one thing I do blame FS for, he wasn't ruthless enough. 99363[/snapback] I don't think it's being sentimental to allow someone who took us from relegation fodder to a second consecutive top four finish, another season just because he had made some iffy decisions. What he had done before suggested he could get us back on track (especially as we were hardly off it in the first place). What was sentimental was allowing him to continue on the begining of the season after when he had allowed the team to fall well below the standards he had set and after he had shown that he had little idea of how to put things right. 99371[/snapback] I'm not saying he made some 'iffy' decisions. Where do you get that from? What I'm saying is that the evidence on the pitch during the latter stages of that season showed that Robson could take the club no further. The following season proved it for god's sake. If the Chairman had recognised that and kept Robson on for the reason you state, then that IS sentment. Everybody I know believes that when we finished 3rd the performances generally were poorer than when we finished 4th the year before. Surely you remember that period? Everybody I spoke to on match days thought this, and people were banging on about it on nufc boards all over the shop at the time. 99378[/snapback] That was my opininion and I wasn't trying to attribute it to you. I think he made some iffy decisions that resulting in our football suffering a bit that season but didn't imo suggest he couldn't take us any futher. I agree his actions of the next season did prove that though and he should have gone then. In a way that showed respect for what he did for us and his standing in the game. It is not sentiment keeping a bloke on who took us to third. Every one makes some mistakes and not firing them for each one is not sentiment.

well i maintain it was the wrong decision, despite being in the minority among posters on the old toon-chat forum. i always felt he deserved to see out his contract with dignity after he took us from mid table nobodies to top 5 regulars and the brink of the champions league knock out stage. he'd finished 5th and had a nightmare in the champions league, which was a disappointment after the previous two seasons but hardly enough to warrant sacking the man. another scandalous decision from the fat controller. shepherd and souness have put us back 5 years and undone all sbr's good work. 99376[/snapback] I agree with most of what your saying Dan, I just think that season we finished 5th by the skin of our teeth after some truely awfull performances and he should have been moved upstairs then. He certainly should have been allowed to leave with more dignity than the fat man allowed.

You say you understood so then you must be ignoring it. Shepherd cannot simply treat the club like his personal cash cow because of the restrictions of it being a PLC. Therefore he has to provide cash to managers if it is available. As such I would most chairmen who could be put in charge of this club would make money available whereas in the past before the club went public they could avoid it to line their own pockets as they do at other clubs. As to whether or not you agree with my reasons for disliking the man I couldn't care less. But you asked the question why people think he is a bad chairman and those reasons I gave for disliking him are what I believe the anwer is for many people.

Ok, how about I explain that it's a team game, you don't just pick your favourite players or leave out those you 'hate'. In a standard 4-4-2 one of the central midfielders must get beyond the strikers, neither Parker nor Emre do this naturally. Rob Lee was strong in the tackle but he still got forward into the box, one of those two has to start doing that. They may well be better footballers than Bowyer, but the balance is wrong. In my opinion, like. 99358[/snapback] While I agree having one of Parker or Emre getting ahead of the strikers would be nice, I think if you remove Parker you are taking away our best player and the only one in the squad who can break up the opositions play and win us back posession and if you remove Emre you take out the one player who can spray the passes around and pick out any other runners. Bowyer compensates for none of this as he cannot pass to save his life and his tackling is awfull (though certainly commited). Add to that his shooting boots seem to have been missplaced this season, so I see no reason to bring him back into the team.

Oh and I suppose you could compare it against Shola standing waiting for the ball to come to him or Shearer not having the legs to carring around like he used to, if you like.

Saw a couple of good passes from him the other day but I didn't see this mobility you're on about. What is this compared against? 99361[/snapback] I haven't saw Saturdays game yet (I had to take the missus out unfortunately and haven't had time to watch the dvd yet) so I can't comment on how he played in that game. But in other games I have seen him play (for us) he has made plenty of good runs (such as the one in the opening minutes of the smoggies game which ended up in him rounding the keeper then hitting the post or the one at the end of his debut when he miss hit his shot past Van Der Sarr) but so far he's not been able to find the end product or his team mates haven't been able to pick him out. Despite a lack of any real pace he is still managing to make runs into space.

No room for sentiment mate. Liverpoo got rid of Hoolia despite winning 5 trophies. The signs were there and this is one thing I do blame FS for, he wasn't ruthless enough. 99363[/snapback] I don't think it's being sentimental to allow someone who took us from relegation fodder to a second consecutive top four finish, another season just because he had made some iffy decisions. What he had done before suggested he could get us back on track (especially as we were hardly off it in the first place). What was sentimental was allowing him to continue on the begining of the season after when he had allowed the team to fall well below the standards he had set and after he had shown that he had little idea of how to put things right.