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Because the £35M was including wages.

Aye loads. Started off going to Walkers (which turned into Planet Earth). Same time I was going to the Phobia's as I knew the organiser (Leeds, Newcastle, Carlisle mainly) when the music was things like altern8 and Rosalla, early 90's. Also went to the tunnel club a few times in Shields. All excellent venues in their day. I liked some Techno and House. Our weekend would start on Friday after work and not end until Sunday AM where I used to sleep through the day, get up for food then go to bed on sunday night. If I tried to do now what I done then, I'd either be dead or in a padded cell Once Planet Earth closed down, we went to Legends or Shindig at the Riverside but it was never the same. Also used to get into Rockshots which was a decent night.

We'll not spend £40M on fees alone like, not if we keep Enrique et al. Pie in the sky, but yes Id be happy with it.

Nee difference. I got my first ipod over there and they honored the warranty in the uk too Aye, my iPad is a US one. Nee difference.

Love my iPad like. Use it most days for work and at home. Def use it more than I thought I would. I'll not be upgrading like. Yet.

Run twice a week atm and try to get to the gym on a weekend. Will prob do more when the mornings/nights are lighter. Do a 10mile hill walk about once a month as well.

Ok, so maybe it is as bad as the MA camp make out, but thats a minor point to what Im saying and this really backs up my "spending money we didnt have" in relation to FFS.

Nowt more needs said.

Nowt more needs said.

To me LM its not as simple as saying MA wont achieve what FS did. He has a much harder playing field for one. The whole thing is open for debate which is the idea ofc. Your problem though seems to be that you have people as black or white, as one side or the other? I could easily say if MA had took the same gambles (not quite the same as its more his money he is gambling with as pointed out, but still) he could have kept us up. "could". It's never certain. He didn't, he took the risk and we paid for it dearly. Though personally I say the reason were relegated was not down to squad investment, afterall he had invested in the team, but was down to his repeated fuck ups in managerial appointments. The squad was on its knees and morale likely never lower. He done that, no one else imo. But, perhaps we have come back stronger for it. I am glad we no longer let players write their own cheques so to speak. At the time, I was happy to see Kluivert/Owen etc sign. Like I said above, I thnk we were spoiled at times. But the reality is that we were also spending someone elses money. Money we didnt have. I dont think it was as bad as the Ashley camp would have you believe, but clearly things were wobbling. SJH is a very very shrewd business man and he knew it was time to jump ship. MA took a punt and didnt check the books, more fool him. Regards Carrolls money, as I keep saying, I think if we hadnt sold him we might have got a £10M kitty for a player. I think the £35M has replaced that, not been added to it. Also its meant to be including wages so the player value is likely only £20M? (£90K over 3 players over 3 years is £14M). So, I only expect to see £20M on players. Unless he now says Tiote's deal etc is part of it. We can likely factor in Enrique also sadly.

This is where it gets utterly pointless. I criticized Shepherd and advocated regime change. That's essentially what he's getting at. I thought Shepherd (shorthand:Shepherd and Hall) had the club in decline and I didn't think he had a hope in hell of getting us back into league challenging/Champions League positions. I still don't think he would have, particularly given what happened in world credit and additionally the emergence of Saudi billionaires. This essentially represented my views at the point shortly before the Ashley took over. It did not, as Leazes insists, mean I was ungrateful for Champions League football of the past, the Keegan era (or however he wants to portray it, it all amounts to the same thing). What Leazes' fails to understand and/or acknowledge about his infallible 'go for broke' philosophy in any economic climate, whoever is doing the financing, is this; he consistently makes the point that Hall and Shepherd bought up the club when it had failed to float for tuppence the year before. I agree that showed vision and foresight and ambition on their part. What he fails to acknowledge however is that, in terms of a risk game, the couple million quid they paid for it was the extent of their financial exposure on gambling with NUFC. Thus they could spend tens of millions on credit because if they did and the gamble didnt come off, the worst case scenario is the club goes bust. They're behind a limited company vehicle so they're personally protected from those debts and they've only lost an asset that they paid a couple million quid to acquire. They've made that money back in dividends already anyway but I've no qualms with that, just stating a fact, the main point is, even if the debts at the time of administration are hundreds of millions, they've only lost an asset they've paid a few bob for. Now again Leazes is right in saying that clubs don't ordinarily go bust-they don't-they operate at massive losses and continue, but that's usually because (in modern times) someone else acquires ownership and so also buys up the debt. In our case Ashely did that (out of pure stupidity in my view). Again he's done it via a limited company vehicle, so he's protected from further spiralling debt just as Shepherd was, but unlike Shepherd, if his gambles fuck up he stands to lose an asset he's paid £100 million for (and made a further £100 million loan to). Not an asset he's paid buttons for. So it's a different risk altogether. Oh and did I mention, there isn't any credit available anymore either? Yes I'm sure I have, but Leazes just ignores that. So he can't finance the gamble using credit either (as Shepherd did), it'll have to be more of his own cash. The club's cash alone won't let you compete with the bankrolled clubs. So what I'm trying to do instead of focusing on that complete waste of time of a debate (which frankly, while not massively complex is nonetheless too much for Leazes to get his head around), is ask, picking up directly on these frequent comments that he will be 'proved right', what exact event/events must occur in future for him to be proved right. It's a statement which relies on something happening in the future and it must contradict what I'm saying. Presumably he must know what that event is. It's an opportunity to nail the debate once and for all, so I make no apologies in seeking clarification. So come on Leazes, just one line. And before you come back with something inane like 'You're just the sort of supporter Ashley would love' etc etc etc blah blah. That's entirely irrelevant. Ashley isn't arsed what any fan thinks. He could not give a tuppeny jizz for the views of supporters and whether they approve of his methods or not and that should be apparent by now by his actions. Pretty much my opinon. I dislike to much MA has done and every time I start to think he is finally "getting it" he makes another fuck up of a decision. TBF, we were spoiled by the highs of the previous regime and many made this the benchmark. Loads of clubs would be happy with MA and the way he is running the club. Me? I think he is a wanker of the highest order. However, I do now think we are in a better position than we were when he took over. Pains me to say it. The Halls etc brought us the best times I known supporting this club and it would not surprise me if I dont see them again in my lifetime. But football has changed, not just our club. The league was easier than it was now as well. What I dont get is why some people think that you can only support Ashley or Shepherd and not see the merit of both regimes while taking on board the fuck ups of both?

Yep, next one is due out. I have the first one but doubt Id upgrade. Then again, might give mine to my wife and get a new one If you do want one, Id wait a bit as I reckon people will flog the 1st gen for a few hundred quid.

It's only a real problem if KK is correct (or nearly right) though. If Pardew knows it's bollocks, he can say so and be proven to be right come the summer, no? Pardews already on record as saying he has discussed it and being assured he's getting it, hence whi I hope he diplomatically bats it away and doesn't get drawn into niggly words with press men. Deep down, we all know that anything can happen and assurances can disappear overnight. Personally I think KK would be better commenting on facts. I would hate to see him become a bitter sniper like Fat Sam. I think he's entitled to an opinion having worked with the regime. I see absolutely no reason why he should sugar coat that for the benefit of Ashley. I also think it has very little real impact on NUFC anyway. Ridiculous notion to expect someone only to comment on facts in relation to football anyway when 99% of discussion around the game is opinion. I'm not saying he's not entitled to an opinion, I just hope his onion on NUFC going forward is not always going to be negative and bitter. I think he is better than that. Well, I think he agreed and said they were right to sell Carroll. so he is not always saying every move is wrong. End of the day, everyone had an opinion about that sale and most people have made it known.

I think it would just be canny for him to come on for the last 10min for the West Brom game.

Aaargh What the FUCK!

It's only a real problem if KK is correct (or nearly right) though. If Pardew knows it's bollocks, he can say so and be proven to be right come the summer, no? I think Pardew will see some of that £35M but the cynic in me says it will replace any other money he was going to get and has been said it will include wages. Its not a lot when you look at it like that. MA wins twice over by saving on Carrolls wages and not theoretically replacing them and by not coming up with any "new" cash for the window. TBF to MA, its his club and it makes no sense for him to run it into the ground and financially we are better off. But, ..... actually no. I'm not even going into it as theres only one way the thread will go

Would be an Automatic as well, there'd be fuck all I could do about it.

Nowt. 3 months into 6th form and I was bored and sick. Had my first "job" in the Jan after I left.

Taking kids on their first holiday, thats to Salou in May as we wanted a short flight. Going to Milan for 3 days in April (to see AC v Inter) and hoping to get to Dubai to the Rugby 7's in December but thats still a bit in the air.

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I dont think we will either, while we will be ok, I see us finishing around 10th anyway. Still a huge achievement as it stands all things considered.

Get into Europe I mean. I cant recall what happened. something like they were runner up and Man Utd were in Europe anyway?

Well it can't go to 7th now. Only 5th is a guaranteed European place. what if Birmingham go down? Think they still qualify for the Europa League, don't they? Aye. Didnt Millwall do that a few seasons back?

Just noticed your avi, that Lifeforms, FSOL?