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Once you've added in punk, late Ska and Reggae, Chicago House, the Ibiza music revolution, 1989 at the Hacienda and the birth of rave then the case for the 80s being by far the best decade for music rests.

I included the Soup Dragons, although a bit obscure they were very popular in Newcastle. Doing a great comeback on CBeebies too. Yazoo! I knew i'd forgotten someone. The Thomson Twins Thomas Dolby and ffs The Dead Kennedys.

2 albums i've listened to loads recently. Paul Simon -Graceland Dire Straits - Brothers in Arms Mainstream, top 40, parents loved it music. Still utterly brilliant today.

If they release music in the 80s, they are 80s music.

I will... Talk Talk Husker Du The Wonder Stuff The Soup Dragons Violent Femmes Eric B & Rakim The Pogues REM Prince!

Talking Heads The Smiths The Cure The Stone Roses The Happy Mondays Sonic Youth Mudhoney The Fall Pixies New Order / Joy Division Depeche Mode Beastie Boys Public Enemy I could go on.

What's all this chat in here about 80s music being shit ffs. Idiots.

No worries. I don't know enough about cycling to know if Froome is a cheat but it would surprise me on the basis that he rides for a British team and doping is just not cricket. I think that was the point you were making earlier about the British media. Think we will pop down to the Tuileries next Sunday and catch a bit of the atmosphere around the final stage.

I've lived in France for a decade, it's relevant. Wasn't trying to be provocative, was just wondering.

Parky etc claim they are the mouthpiece of Western neoliberal propaganda and have a right wing bias

Which non Anglo-Saxon riders have had piss thrown at them on the Tour?

Pissing it down in Paris, might be heading north.

Jealous tbh. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-2956997/Proof-money-doesn-t-buy-taste-10million-Spanish-holiday-home-goes-sale-Egyptian-pharaoh-statues-50-seat-theatre-gold.html

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Fuck off

Carl Jung would have made a great political negotiator.

I liked the first one too but not many did. It got panned on here, which is a good yardstick as it's one of the first places Kermode checks out.

Got some good moments but her best work is still her first album. Courtney Barnett's album is absolutely cracking, i think you'd like it.

New Tame Impala is mint.

Not bad.

Great nick-name for a cock tbf.

When was the last time you met one who wasn't a cunt?

Just to be clear, they both knew of each others plans to attack and both acted in a way as to exploit that knowledge. They might not have been acting as one group with one objective but that's enough for me.

Ok so not collusion or conspiracy as such because that wouldn't make much sense with two forces with ambitions for the crown. If the invasion from the north had succeeded then I doubt they would have ceded power to the south so it can't be a conspiracy to get the Normans into power. My point is that the Norman Vikings knew that there would also be a Viking invasion from the north. They might not have been working together directly but having close cultural ties with a group who you know is about to invade a country and using the timing of that invasion to set your own represents a kind of Viking pincer attack. Thus the point being that when we (the Brits) went down, it wasn't to some garlic-infused handkerchief waving affront from Paris, it was to some of the hardest bastards ever seen in this hemisphere. Whichever way you look at it, this firmly establishes the conquest as a Viking conquest and not a French one. William's Viking victory in the south was militarliy facilitated by the Viking invasion in the north. None of the people in this story are french though, they are all Vikings. Just some of them have been knocking about in the South getting tanned for a few decades. Also the fact that you are referring to a French nation in the 11th century is also contentious. France as a nation didnt really exist then. You should read Grahame Robb's The Discovery Of France. None of the regions were truly assimilated until Napoleon and until that time all of them retained either their own rule of law or language or both. The Normans were able to assimilate themselves into the cultures they invaded, like they did in England, Switzerland and Italy etc. Doesn't make the Normans English, Swiss or Itallian. Nor does it make them French. They were Vikings who were basically good at languages.

They were Vikings. They both invaded at the same time and it was a military strategy. "Harold Godwinson's victory was short-lived, as only a few weeks later he was defeated by William the Conqueror at the Battle of Hastings. The fact that Harold had to make a forced march to fight Hardrada at Stamford Bridge and then move at utmost speed south to meet the Norman invasion, all in less than three weeks, is widely seen as a primary factor in William's victory at Hastings.[123]" They pulled Harold out of shape. The idea that these fuckers just happened by coincidence to launch concerted attacks at different ends of the country at the same time and toppled the island they had all coveted for centuries is far fetched. There is no written evidence of collusion no, but plenty of academics put it forward as a theory.