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Can't see how this applys to Lost in paticular, conisdering it's reocurring, and I've never seen a spin-off. I agree about Life on Mars, I thought it was a brilliant series, and never took to it's spin-off Ashes to Ashes. What are your issues with this non-existent plot, and when did you throw in the towel regarding Lost? I stopped aound the series 2/3 border I think, when it became apparent to me there was not going to be a coherent explanation regarding the strange goings on on the island. Also I think there was dispute between Virgin and Sky 1 at the time which didn't help. I just like things to make sense, if you're not too bothered about strong plot lines, fair enough. I can't be arsed about most American dramas after series 1 nowadays if I'm honest. Take True Blood. Promising first series, turned to shit in the second, imo, obviously. You've got to be loyal to Lost to be satisfied, seriously it almost angers me when I hear some idiotic viewers whinging about being confused over a show that is much more intelligent than they're and regard that as a reason to fuck it over because the answers aren't being handed on a plate for them. Which frankly would make it boring, but the ending suprised me in a way considering I was expecting something alot less simple, but that's me being too profound and speculating, which I personally enjoyed doing. Fortunately that isn't the case with you Renton. It's a shame you finished it at Season 3, which I regarded as the best season of the show, as it focuses more on the background of 'The Others' and a slight insight of The Dharma Inititave and its origins. Season 6 pretty much delivered 'most' of the answers, especially the strange going ons, although I have to admit the pace was alot faster than previous seasons, and I saw this more a negative than a positive. On American series in general, I also agree, this applied to me when I gave up watching Fringe after the first season simply because it had little direction and became tedious to watch. EDIT: To conclude, I hope you give it another chance and if you do, and your opinion doesn't change then fair enough. So by not being able to tie up the loose ends one has unraveled over the past 5 seasons with competent writing and continuity, I'm a dummy because I didn't like the ending? That's a new one on me... I wasn't one of those people who needed every single answer, but the answers I did want I at least wanted to make sense. And it would have been nice to work in the answers instead of having a character just do an exposition piece. Oh and Rents, take it for what it's worth, but while the writers do cover Dharma and The Others, they're almost nearly 100% inconsequential to anything outside the season they're portrayed in. SPOILER- I mean really? The church was some place they invented to go when they all died? WTF? At what other time in the show did you get the impression from like any character that shit could happen? Also, what was the point of any of the alternate reality crap from this season? From where I was sitting, the alternate reality they've been dicking around in all season isn't at all related to the church at the end, so what was the point of any of that? Fun way to eat up a season of network TV money? They really wanted to put Sawyer behind a cop's desk? I don't know... I hated the Sopranos ending too. It didn't fit the theme of the show at all. I think anybody honest with them self had to hate that ending as well because it was such a cop-out- just like LOST's ending was tonight. People tried to say the Soprano's ending was this nearly artistic level device, but that show had never used any kind of artistic devices before; it wasn't like David Lynch turned up to direct the last episdoe, FFS. The writers didn't know how to end it, so they faded to black hoping the fanboys would talk themselves into it being some brilliant move. It worked that time (for the most part), and it'll probably work this time for LOST. Right with you there !!! And yes there were times during the whole shebang I thought I've had enough of this shit but persevered ...thinking somewhere along the line I will get "some" answers , maybe not all but enough for me to fill in the blanks . Unfortunately this ending left way too many blanks for me and not because I am a halfwit either before the dicks all weigh in !! The church scenario became the Dallas Bobby Ewing shower scene for me ......... oh and by the way just a few unanswered , explain the numbers, the significance of the flash-sideways, Walt and Michael's rolls in the story as Walt was originally the special child that everyone wanted, , the origin of "the light", where Richard was in the last scene, what the smoke monster was, why the sonic fences were effective... and many other questions, please send them all in a 100 page dossier to me. Cheers. As a Lost fan, its a well-known theory that they've been dead all along, and in this case in purgatory. HF posted what I'm about to say(http://www.salon.com/entertainment/tv/lost/index.html?story=/ent/tv/heather_havrilesky/2010/05/24/lost_finale_unintended_moral), its all based on fate. Remember Jack (bald) (Man of Science) he was originally obsessed with leaving the island as opposed to Locke (Man of Faith) who adamantly wanted/needed them to stay, this reversed in the final season, where as Jack has no interest in leaving, Locke/MiB was not going to let anyone stop him from leaving. oh and by the way just a few unanswered, explain where Vincent shits, where he pisses, and what he rubs his shitty arse against, because there's no carpet. The numbers were referenced to certain characters, and related to there lives. Meaning and influence remains unresolved. The Flash-sideways:The flash-sideways timeline was a purgatorial version of events that appeared to be a version of the 2004 timeline in which the Island is submerged in the ocean and Oceanic Flight 815 never crashed there. It was conjectured that this timeline exists as a direct result of the reset, as hypothesized by Daniel Faraday. This version of events did not interfere with the original timeline (though the original timeline interfered with it) and differed in many ways differences. The flash-sideways timeline and the original timeline shared many, but not all events in common. Eventually, it is revealed that after Jack, Locke, Kate, Sawyer, Juliet, Hurley, Ben, Claire, Charlie, Boone, Shannon, Sun, Jin, Sayid, Desmond, Rose, Bernard and Penny die, they come together to create a world where they can reunite, as their meetings after the crash of Flight 815 were the most important of their lives, and the lessons they learnt there impacted their experiences in the Flash-Sideways, such as Jack having a son, and James Ford being a detective. Once they reunite, they, as Christian Shephard describes it, "move on". Couldn't of put it better myself (Lostpedia), in what Mighty Hog also referenced. Walt and Micheal's roles and his special powers: I don't know this, I'm led to believe that they couldn't portray Walt as an ongoing character because he'd significantly age, thats just based on the principle which TMG also stated about Hurley and his inability to lose weight in 101 days, which is similair to Walt and the ageing issue. On his special powers and such, I'm not sure that does stay unresolved. Actually I cba, whatever questions you have go on Lostpedia, and they should answer them or not. As a LOST fan, I'd assume you'd know that the purgatory theory has been debunked by JJ and the show's producers on multiple occasions. (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Purgatory_%28debunked_theory%29) * The purgatory theory was debunked by J.J. Abrams in a Zap2it interview published in March 14, 2005, "though he claimed to like the idea." * The theory was again expressly debunked by executive producer Damon Lindelof in a New York Times interview published on May 25, 2006. Noting the fact that the finale of Season 2 shows the outside world in the present (as opposed to a flashback) for the first time, Lindelof added: "People who believe that they're in purgatory or that they're subjects of an experiment are going to start reassessing those theories based on the fact that we are literally showing you the outside world." * This theory was rejected again by Damon Lindelof on the October 6, 2006 podcast. * Following the airing of "D.O.C." and Naomi's revelation that the wreckage of Oceanic Flight 815 was allegedly found and there were no survivors, the "purgatory" theory was again debunked twice; first by Damon Lindelof in an interview with E! Online [1], stating that "If we did such a thing after repeatedly stating otherwise, we'd be tarred and feathered!"; and second, by Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse in the April 30, 2007 podcast, insisting out that "we were not lying, it's not purgatory" and listing several possible other explanations for Naomi's revelation. * Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse again debunked this theory in a Lost recap special when they added that the Losties are not dead and "do exist somewhere in the space time continuum." I'm not going to touch on every unanswered mystery or every crappily answered mystery; I'm just going to make this point: when Shyamalan wrote and directed The Sixth Sense, he knew from the very beginning that Bruce Willis was dead. When Chuck Palahniuk wrote Fight Club, he knew that Tyler wasn't really real. You can tell because when you experience these works for a second or a third time, they hold up- they make sense. LOST doesn't. There is no doubt in my mind that the LOST creators had absolutely no idea in the slightest where they were going with any of the ideas they were presenting the entire time. This is why things got so totally goofy and impossible the last two seasons. That's why I didn't enjoy it. It wasn't because it was over my head or too arty or whatever, it's because they painted themselves into corners and couldn't write their ways out of them in a sensible or remotely plausible way. You watch stuff from season 2 on video or syndication or whatever, and it totally doesn't fit. Hell, at this point, you could basically watch seasons 1, 5, and 6 and as far as the series is really concerned, that's about all you'd need to see. The Others? Pointless. The Freighter people? Pointless. DHARMA and the hatches? Largely pointless. Red Herrings or abandoned plot line kids? You decide. I already have.

Can't see how this applys to Lost in paticular, conisdering it's reocurring, and I've never seen a spin-off. I agree about Life on Mars, I thought it was a brilliant series, and never took to it's spin-off Ashes to Ashes. What are your issues with this non-existent plot, and when did you throw in the towel regarding Lost? I stopped aound the series 2/3 border I think, when it became apparent to me there was not going to be a coherent explanation regarding the strange goings on on the island. Also I think there was dispute between Virgin and Sky 1 at the time which didn't help. I just like things to make sense, if you're not too bothered about strong plot lines, fair enough. I can't be arsed about most American dramas after series 1 nowadays if I'm honest. Take True Blood. Promising first series, turned to shit in the second, imo, obviously. You've got to be loyal to Lost to be satisfied, seriously it almost angers me when I hear some idiotic viewers whinging about being confused over a show that is much more intelligent than they're and regard that as a reason to fuck it over because the answers aren't being handed on a plate for them. Which frankly would make it boring, but the ending suprised me in a way considering I was expecting something alot less simple, but that's me being too profound and speculating, which I personally enjoyed doing. Fortunately that isn't the case with you Renton. It's a shame you finished it at Season 3, which I regarded as the best season of the show, as it focuses more on the background of 'The Others' and a slight insight of The Dharma Inititave and its origins. Season 6 pretty much delivered 'most' of the answers, especially the strange going ons, although I have to admit the pace was alot faster than previous seasons, and I saw this more a negative than a positive. On American series in general, I also agree, this applied to me when I gave up watching Fringe after the first season simply because it had little direction and became tedious to watch. EDIT: To conclude, I hope you give it another chance and if you do, and your opinion doesn't change then fair enough. So by not being able to tie up the loose ends one has unraveled over the past 5 seasons with competent writing and continuity, I'm a dummy because I didn't like the ending? That's a new one on me... I wasn't one of those people who needed every single answer, but the answers I did want I at least wanted to make sense. And it would have been nice to work in the answers instead of having a character just do an exposition piece. Oh and Rents, take it for what it's worth, but while the writers do cover Dharma and The Others, they're almost nearly 100% inconsequential to anything outside the season they're portrayed in. SPOILER- I mean really? The church was some place they invented to go when they all died? WTF? At what other time in the show did you get the impression from like any character that shit could happen? Also, what was the point of any of the alternate reality crap from this season? From where I was sitting, the alternate reality they've been dicking around in all season isn't at all related to the church at the end, so what was the point of any of that? Fun way to eat up a season of network TV money? They really wanted to put Sawyer behind a cop's desk? I don't know... I hated the Sopranos ending too. It didn't fit the theme of the show at all. I think anybody honest with them self had to hate that ending as well because it was such a cop-out- just like LOST's ending was tonight. People tried to say the Soprano's ending was this nearly artistic level device, but that show had never used any kind of artistic devices before; it wasn't like David Lynch turned up to direct the last episdoe, FFS. The writers didn't know how to end it, so they faded to black hoping the fanboys would talk themselves into it being some brilliant move. It worked that time (for the most part), and it'll probably work this time for LOST.

Thanks y'all!

I get a little worked up about that- the producers going, "oh, the show's about the characters; the show's about having faith... it's a show about love." Yeah. Cause nothing says, "Love" like time-traveling, Fibonacci sequences, and smoke monsters.

Absolute shite.

Very tired but very happy. All because of this little dude... The wife did all the work, but I almost passed out which frankly ought to count for something... Me, my pops, and Nate Dogg Nate and I on his first day home.

The way I see it the guys got a point, you can hardly pull him up on it when your work is shite because you can't be arsed and you're under resourced Depends on what the work culture is like. I've worked at some places where the above exchange would be viewed as a request for attention and resources, other places, you never admit (or let someone else tell) that your department needs additional resources. Judging by Trophy's reaction to this seemingly minor exchange, I'd guess they're more the latter. I think the really effective thing would have been to say in the meeting, "I'm surprised you're comfortable making that statement judging by how little you've interacted with my department the last x days/ weeks/ months/ whatever and failed to attend the inaugural meeting." Since the moment's passed, I don't know. I don't think I'd crowbar it into a meeting I set up with the higher ups, but it'd definitely be on the tip of my tongue the next time we all got together.

I had a conversation with a Texan about this a couple of months ago while discussing Guantanamo in general and her attitude was 'fuck them, wrong place, wrong time'. It really is scary how much some educated Americans believe that. The problem is so few people over here actually bother to think about any of this kind of stuff. You're 100% right in that few "educated" people here would find the similarity in the "wrong place, wrong time" of the two events. But then these are the same kind of people who tell you that we need places like this black jail and Guantanamo and torture and waterboarding for all the vital intel they provide. These people also have no answer when you ask them questions like, "Well, if the intel is so fucking great, why the hell haven't we caught Bin Laden? Why haven't we gathered enough vital information that we could end the war?" Call me crazy, but me personally, I don't feel the ends justifies the means. If you're going to be pissed and outraged at "terrorists" capturing and killing American journalists, then you can't be all laa-dee-dah over torturing innocent people in military facilities that don't even exist. Maybe I don't know shit about winning a war, and I'm definitely talking out of my ass here not having ever served in the military, but I think us supposedly civilized, first-world nations have to be above shit like that. If we don't uphold the Geneva Convention, who the hell will? Course, I'm one of those nuts who can't quite get his head around how people here can be pro-life when it comes to abortion and pro-death penalty all the while preaching to everyone around how corrupt the system is.

Seems redundant.

Westside is the bestside, after all.

Interesting... It'll sound like I'm making it up, but I actually remember Angel Dust being louder than the rest of my CDs when listening to them in the car. Lols...

I think in this case, it's more people have shit and don't know it until some twat with a golden ear pisses on them and tells them it's raining. I have a pretty good (untrained) ear- I can hear distortion levels and have nearly perfect pitch and I can't tell you the difference between an CD and a tape or vinyl or whatever. I remember reading an article back in '95 or so with Neil Young and he was pissing all over CDs and how he couldn't listen to them and all that. Then back in around 2000 when MP3 was getting big, he did the same deal. I'm not saying there isn't a difference in sound quality between media, but I am saying that 99% of the people listening won't hear it (and if it's mixed for shit, it's a moot point anyway).

Reading your original post, that was the first thing that came to mind- so much music of recent production is so compressed is doesn't matter if you have a $20,000 system or a $20 car stereo playing it- it's going to sound like shit anyway. Do you know when compressing the fuck out of a single track became the norm? I'm thinking it was around 2004, because that My Chemical Romance album was just chock full of it, but it was probably long before that (that was the year we went in the studio and some of this stuff started making sense to me).

Speaking of endless streams, are you still going to Nashville in a few weeks? If so, bring a canoe... It's not looking pretty, is it? The festival organisers have been sending out reassuring e-mails, so fingers crossed, even if the venues are under several feet of water at the minute... I feel bad for 'em, man. Katrina level disaster, but because some dumbass parked a van with a poorly made bomb in it in Times Square, it's not getting the media attention they deserve over here.

Big club, tbh.

Read somewhere that the Iceland volcano delayed the NUFC kit debut, anyone have any idea when it'll turn up now?

Can't really speak to FLS or any of the content besides the actual matches, but from over here, I actually got to see way more NUFC matches this season than I did last year on FSC via an apparent deal between the BBC and ESPN3 (formerly ESPN360). The camerawork and overall production values are notably lower than PL (assuming I'm seeing what you're seeing), but it's an NUFC match that I could watch. That was enough for me.

Speaking of endless streams, are you still going to Nashville in a few weeks? If so, bring a canoe...

I was always a big fan of the, "Be sure to follow ALL INSTRUCTIONS test", where if the student actually reads the instructions, they write their name at the top and turn it in without doing all the subsequent problems. I used to bust that out on the students first day of class.

12 out of 14 with 4:11 left. Man... knocking off some cobwebs for a couple of those.

Can I go on record and say that I'll be absolutely, jaw-on-the-floor shocked if anything remotely resembling a jail sentence is handed out for any banker involved in this mess?

No, but chemcial imbalances aren't unknown in my wider family I don;t think it's genetic though? It's what made my sister become a really succesful psychologist. I don't feel depressed, I did for about 6 months early 20's but that was too many drugs fucked me for a bit, but I do have some circumstantial shit at the moment, not least work but they're just every day stresses every fucka has. It'll only be a temporary thing. Lost loads of weight probably too quickly too, with gym work and not much food. I don't know if it's genetic or not, really. Mine was just a unfortunate by-product of when your body goes through puberty and your brain and everything starts making new chemicals, mine didn't make enough serotonin apparently. Barring that, and this maybe isn't the best advice depending on your situation, but have you tried getting high before you go to bed? The sleep I get after having a few hits before bed is better than just about anything for me.

Yup! Where I picked it up at!

Friend just turned me on to this guy. Feed the Animals is great.