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It was a joy to see a winger in a Newcastle shirt repeartedly taking on defenders and more often than not, winning.

 

Don't remember him once crossing from deep or turning and passing it back from fear of not beating the man in front of him.

He grafts as well though. Great to have an attacking winger but if he's a passenger when you lose possession it puts pressure on your full-back. Not with this fella though.

 

It was great to see him track back at every opportunity, but his attacking qualities will turn out to be more important. We've had plenty of grafters over the last few years, it's pace and creativity that we've been missing.

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It was a joy to see a winger in a Newcastle shirt repeartedly taking on defenders and more often than not, winning.

 

Don't remember him once crossing from deep or turning and passing it back from fear of not beating the man in front of him.

He grafts as well though. Great to have an attacking winger but if he's a passenger when you lose possession it puts pressure on your full-back. Not with this fella though.

 

It was great to see him track back at every opportunity, but his attacking qualities will turn out to be more important. We've had plenty of grafters over the last few years, it's pace and creativity that we've been missing.

 

Calmly ran back a couple of times and just took the ball off their players (Rooney didn't look happy).

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It was a joy to see a winger in a Newcastle shirt repeartedly taking on defenders and more often than not, winning.

 

Don't remember him once crossing from deep or turning and passing it back from fear of not beating the man in front of him.

He grafts as well though. Great to have an attacking winger but if he's a passenger when you lose possession it puts pressure on your full-back. Not with this fella though.

 

It was great to see him track back at every opportunity, but his attacking qualities will turn out to be more important. We've had plenty of grafters over the last few years, it's pace and creativity that we've been missing.

 

Calmly ran back a couple of times and just took the ball off their players (Rooney didn't look happy).

 

aye. that was class.

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It was a joy to see a winger in a Newcastle shirt repeartedly taking on defenders and more often than not, winning.

 

Don't remember him once crossing from deep or turning and passing it back from fear of not beating the man in front of him.

He grafts as well though. Great to have an attacking winger but if he's a passenger when you lose possession it puts pressure on your full-back. Not with this fella though.

 

It was great to see him track back at every opportunity, but his attacking qualities will turn out to be more important. We've had plenty of grafters over the last few years, it's pace and creativity that we've been missing.

 

Calmly ran back a couple of times and just took the ball off their players (Rooney didn't look happy).

 

aye. that was class.

aye

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THE JONAS GUTIERREZ STORY BY CHRIS BASCOMBE May 20th 2003

Chris Bascombe, Liverpool Echo

Chris Bascombe wonders when Argentinian youngster Jonas Gutierrez is going to stop making noises about a possible transfer to Liverpool in the summer...

Liverpool's sponsors Carlsberg have a perceptive and amusing advert doing the rounds at the moment.

 

It charts the meteoric raise of a mediocre footballer. In one shot you see him mis-kick in front of an open goal for a Sunday league team. In the next, newspaper headlines are proclaiming him the greatest player since Pele and he's about to sign for the European Champions (it's a bit like the Neil Webb story 15 years too late).

 

The slogan at the end acclaims 'probably the best football agent in the world'.

 

The advertisers may be aware just how close to reality this tale is, especially if they have knowledge of the case of Argentinian 'wonderkid' and Planet Football columnist Jonas Gutierrez.

 

Gutierrez, you may recall, spent a few days on trial at Liverpool recently. It would have been a week but the Reds thought two days was more than enough.

 

In the course of his spell in England, Jonas managed to build an entire career. Depending on what you read, he was going to put his love for Everton to one side, sign for Liverpool, become the next Ryan Giggs and solve Houllier's width problems before moving to Real Madrid. All this thanks to a few training sessions in a pair of white boots

 

You may have thought this sounded too good to be true. You'd be right.

 

Even his arrival was heralded far too excitedly. One Sunday paper had laughingly described the player as 'Gerard Houllier's first big summer signing'.

 

Had it not been for the player's agent - and the fact he signed more autographs in a day than Michael Owen does in a year - Gutierrez would have flown in an out without anyone noticing he'd been here, just like the other half dozen or so triallists who pass through the Melwood gates each season.

 

Unfortunately, the unnecessary excitement surrounding the Argentinian made Mr Nobody from Nowhere a potential superstar for a week.

 

Triallists are hardly worth such attention. In some cases, the coaching staff haven't even heard of the players'. They agree to look at them out of courtesy because their representative is pushy enough, works for someone else who the club could be interested in at a later date, or are even prepared to pay a ludicrous amount of cash just to

have their man have the experience of training with the first team.

 

In the Gutierrez case, the last option explained his presence on Merseyside. His agent paid for the privilege. Houllier had no intention of signing the lad unless he could prove he was some kind of South American phenomenon. He wasn't.

 

That didn't stop the campaign to get him noticed going into overdrive with a series of 'interviews' appearing from the same sources which gave Gutierrez far more credibility than he deserved.

 

"I'm a bit like Ryan Giggs," was the first gem. To be fair, maybe something was lost in translation. What Jonas probably really said was: "I flew here on Ryan Air."

 

If that wasn't enough, this was followed with..."It will be funny playing for Liverpool because I'm an Everton fan." As own goals go, it was the biggest since I decided to take that mini-break in Baghdad last January. Had our white-booted, floppy fringed Argentinian friend finished? Not yet. "I want to play in Spain but England will do for now."

 

We're honoured by your presence Jonas. Liverpool will be delighted to be your 'stepping stone' to Madrid. If he was that good, why did he need a trial?

 

As it turned out, Jonas was 'no Maradona', as one observer close to the action put it. Liverpool didn't want him. When the wonderkid was told not to come back for his last day's training, the PR machine needed re-oiling.

 

Speaking on his behalf, Jonas' agent informed the nearest website: "Liverpool were impressed but they need someone to go straight into the team."

 

That's one way of putting it. Another would be 'he wasn't even as good as some of the kids playing on Stanley Park and we told him it wasn't worth him coming back tomorrow'.

 

Then the newspaper which claimed he would be the first summer signing needed to backtrack. "Houllier has suffered a major blow because Gutierrez was not as good as he thought he was," claimed the story.

 

Wrong! Gutierrez wasn't the player he thought he was. He left and we thought that was the end of it. The 15 minutes of fame had expired.

 

Until...yes. Jonas was at it again this week. It seems he hasn't given up on his dream move to Spain (via a few years in Liverpool). "I would like very much the chance to play for Liverpool. I was satisfied with what I did. I gave the best of myself. Now I only have to wait and see what happens. If something will be done, it will happen in June," he said.

 

Can this lad take a hint or what?

 

Listen Jonas, or your agent, or your contact at Planet Football, can you get the message? It ain't gonna happen. Please stop.

 

The case of Jonas Gutierrez is proof the truth isn't always as strange as the fiction - but sometimes it's funnier.

 

I've read a few pieces by this wank, this was written in 2003. He is a worse journalist than Anal he honestly is. I didn't know a) he had a trial at Liverpool though and :huh: he supports the blue dippers as well....was anyone else aware of this.

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jonas has not been playing for argentina as of late because of velez... :lol:

 

 

 

AFA seek resolution over Gutiérrez

 

Julio Grondona’s been in China recently, watching Argentina’s not-quite-Under 23s win Olympic gold, and he’s returned to a bit of a fuss. Alfio Basile named his squad for the next two World Cup Qualifiers last week (details of those players will follow before the matches, because at the time they announcement was overshadowed somewhat by the 3-0 thumping of Brazil in the Olympic Football Tournament), and it included Newcastle United’s new fan hero, Jonás Gutiérrez. El Galgo’s place in the squad is in doubt, though, after his former club Vélez Sársfield launched an appeal against his inclusion.

 

Gutiérrez played for Vélez for four seasons, from 2001 to 2005, winning the Torneo Clausura in 2005 with the club before moving to Spanish islanders Real Mallorca. After three years with Mallorca, he made the move to England to join Newcastle in the (European) summer of 2008. Vélez, however, aren’t happy. They claim that Gutiérrez had a contract with them until 2009, meaning that after leaving Mallorca his registration should have returned to his previous club, and thus he should currently be playing for them, and not for Newcastle.

 

Vélez don’t seem to be trying to force the player to actually come and play for them again, but are very put out at the possibility of Jonás playing for his country (and by extension his country’s football association) when the AFA aren’t supporting the club in their view that he is, in fact, a Vélez player. As such, whilst Grondona was in China, the AFA provisionally accepted a petition from Vélez to prevent Gutiérrez playing for Argentina - a position that was reversed as soon as Grondona returned home.

 

Vélez president Alvaro Balestrini wasn’t shy about making his opinions known on Thursday, attacking the AFA vehemently: ‘We’re really worried, because this shows that the AFA are making cuckolds of Argentine clubs,’ Balestrini said, coming over all Shakespearean. ‘If this had happened with Boca or River, or even, I feel justified in saying, with Arsenal [de Sarandí, whose president is Grondona's son Julio Ricardo Grondona], this would have been resolved in another way.’ He may have a point… but then, Jonás really may be a Newcastle player…

 

If Gutiérrez is called up by Basile for the two matches in the first half of September, it will be at Newcastle’s discretion, since he’s only been named as a backup player in the Argentina squad for these matches.

 

http://hastaelgolsiempre.com/2008/08/28/af...over-gutierrez/

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jonas has not been playing for argentina as of late because of velez... :)

 

 

 

AFA seek resolution over Gutiérrez

 

Julio Grondona’s been in China recently, watching Argentina’s not-quite-Under 23s win Olympic gold, and he’s returned to a bit of a fuss. Alfio Basile named his squad for the next two World Cup Qualifiers last week (details of those players will follow before the matches, because at the time they announcement was overshadowed somewhat by the 3-0 thumping of Brazil in the Olympic Football Tournament), and it included Newcastle United’s new fan hero, Jonás Gutiérrez. El Galgo’s place in the squad is in doubt, though, after his former club Vélez Sársfield launched an appeal against his inclusion.

 

Gutiérrez played for Vélez for four seasons, from 2001 to 2005, winning the Torneo Clausura in 2005 with the club before moving to Spanish islanders Real Mallorca. After three years with Mallorca, he made the move to England to join Newcastle in the (European) summer of 2008. Vélez, however, aren’t happy. They claim that Gutiérrez had a contract with them until 2009, meaning that after leaving Mallorca his registration should have returned to his previous club, and thus he should currently be playing for them, and not for Newcastle.

 

Vélez don’t seem to be trying to force the player to actually come and play for them again, but are very put out at the possibility of Jonás playing for his country (and by extension his country’s football association) when the AFA aren’t supporting the club in their view that he is, in fact, a Vélez player. As such, whilst Grondona was in China, the AFA provisionally accepted a petition from Vélez to prevent Gutiérrez playing for Argentina - a position that was reversed as soon as Grondona returned home.

 

Vélez president Alvaro Balestrini wasn’t shy about making his opinions known on Thursday, attacking the AFA vehemently: ‘We’re really worried, because this shows that the AFA are making cuckolds of Argentine clubs,’ Balestrini said, coming over all Shakespearean. ‘If this had happened with Boca or River, or even, I feel justified in saying, with Arsenal [de Sarandí, whose president is Grondona's son Julio Ricardo Grondona], this would have been resolved in another way.’ He may have a point… but then, Jonás really may be a Newcastle player…

 

If Gutiérrez is called up by Basile for the two matches in the first half of September, it will be at Newcastle’s discretion, since he’s only been named as a backup player in the Argentina squad for these matches.

 

http://hastaelgolsiempre.com/2008/08/28/af...over-gutierrez/

 

Velez = tossers... still, it keeps him playing at ours instead or jetting off on international duty :lol:

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Argentina have really fucked up rules concerning football. Look at the tevez etc shit.

He was signed from a Brazilian club by West Ham wasn't he?

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Argentina have really fucked up rules concerning football. Look at the tevez etc shit.

He was signed from a Brazilian club by West Ham wasn't he?

corinthians yeah.South America then. It just seems weird how football seems to be really complicated down there

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JONAS GUTIERREZ’S stunning start to life at Newcastle has earmarked him as Argentina’s brightest rising star.

 

Argentina coach Alfio Basile belatedly called Gutierrez, pictured, and United team-mate Fabricio Coloccini into his squad for next week’s World Cup qualifiers against Paraguay and Peru.

 

And Basile insists he had no choice but to pick a player whose right to play for his country is under legal threat from his former club Velez Sarsfield.

 

“I have called Gutierrez into the national team because he has begun the season in formidable form,” Basile told the Sunday Sun.

 

“There’s now no doubt that there should be a regular place for him in the squad.

 

“We have lost Nicolas Burdisso to injury and Jonas is easily the best replacement.”

 

Basile added: “I am convinced Jonas will be a triumph at Newcastle. I have spoken to him and he is very excited about moving to the Premier League.

 

“I think that England is the best league for a player with his qualities.”

 

Velez still claim 50 per cent ownership of Gutierrez from when they sold him to Real Mallorca and have demanded he be banned from international action while they pursue him for compensation.

 

“There is controversy in FIFA, but Argentina needs Jonas,” insisted Basile. “I don’t get involved in problems between clubs and players.”

 

And on Coloccini, who has also settled quickly at St James’s Park, Basile said: “He is a sure thing for Argentina.

 

“He has improved a lot in the last few years, and moving to Newcastle is another jump in quality for the kid.

 

“I look forward to going to Newcastle this season to watch a match.”

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