Matt 0 Posted February 16, 2010 Share Posted February 16, 2010 How many injury time goals do they score? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paddy 9 Posted February 16, 2010 Share Posted February 16, 2010 too fookin many Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin 1 Posted February 16, 2010 Share Posted February 16, 2010 WBA score?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6308 Posted February 16, 2010 Share Posted February 16, 2010 Man United 2-1 up in Milan. Rooney. Shame, I wanted Beckham to show them up.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khay 8 Posted February 17, 2010 Share Posted February 17, 2010 Has this round of the champions league always lasted two weeks for the 1st legs? I.E Man U and Arsenal playing this week and Chelsea playing next week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted February 17, 2010 Share Posted February 17, 2010 Has this round of the champions league always lasted two weeks for the 1st legs? I.E Man U and Arsenal playing this week and Chelsea playing next week. I think it must be a new thing as I don't remember it. At first I thought it was because of the fixture clash at the San Siro (Man Utd/Chelsea Playing AC/Inter Milan there in the 1st leg) but there's a few other games next week. I assume it's to maximise TV money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khay 8 Posted February 17, 2010 Share Posted February 17, 2010 I never noticed till tonight and noticed that the Barca game was not on. Cheers for the heads up. Think I'll stick with the Bayern game with the toon radio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matty 0 Posted February 17, 2010 Share Posted February 17, 2010 Arsenal just conceded a hilarious goal after Fabianski picked up a back pass... as if they have a keeper who is worse than Almunia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bombadil 0 Posted February 17, 2010 Share Posted February 17, 2010 Arsenal just conceded a hilarious goal after Fabianski picked up a back pass... as if they have a keeper who is worse than Almunia. Campbell scored a good goal, I was quite pleased for him. Always liked him as a player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26524 Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 Arsenal should have been in for Given when we were selling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney 0 Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 Arsenal should have been in for Given when we were selling. I don't suppose anyone here listens to the Guardian podcasts? Anyway, one of the lads, Barry Glendenning made a brief comment about how ManCity's best 'keeper is playing at Birmingham. The lads on the studio lept on it and he explained what most on here have been saying for years about his world class shot-stopping, but in general he doesn't control his box or defence at all. He concedes headers in the 6yard box all the time, poor distribution, and in general, he isn't good enough for City's plans. He also mentioned that there's a reason that Givens teams never have a great defensive record. It was turned into a big deal over here, but there must be a reason Fergie and Wenger were never in for him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 You could just as easily counter that by pointing to how his fellow pros have selected him in the PFA team of the season more than once and how he's been a consistent performer for years, whereas a lot of others seem to be brilliant for a season or two then lose form / confidence. Also, Wenger and Ferguson have a bit of a dodgy record when it comes to signing keepers. I do agree about his limitations to an extent like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26524 Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 Arsenal should have been in for Given when we were selling. I don't suppose anyone here listens to the Guardian podcasts? Anyway, one of the lads, Barry Glendenning made a brief comment about how ManCity's best 'keeper is playing at Birmingham. The lads on the studio lept on it and he explained what most on here have been saying for years about his world class shot-stopping, but in general he doesn't control his box or defence at all. He concedes headers in the 6yard box all the time, poor distribution, and in general, he isn't good enough for City's plans. He also mentioned that there's a reason that Givens teams never have a great defensive record. It was turned into a big deal over here, but there must be a reason Fergie and Wenger were never in for him? Aye, but even including his faults he's still twice the keeper Alumunia or Fabiwhatshisface are and went for a bargain price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney 0 Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 I agree with all that, Ewerk and Alex. The mistakes are rare, which is a huge bonus. He's nowhere near one of the best keepers in the world though, imo. Defo in the top 4 of the Prem, however. His dominance of his own area is very poor though, and that's the sort of thing that puts the shits up defenders. It's all well and good stopping the 25 yarders(which he's superb at), but when you're back 4 are forced into defending the 6 yard box on crosses, it's asking for mistakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 3986 Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 With a disclaimer that I haven't seen the incident, what a hypocrite Wenger is - anyone remember the thing about 3 years ago when Henry took a couple of quick free-kicks and Wenger said he had every right to do so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Kenneth Noisewater 0 Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 With a disclaimer that I haven't seen the incident, what a hypocrite Wenger is - anyone remember the thing about 3 years ago when Henry took a couple of quick free-kicks and Wenger said he had every right to do so? Very Wenger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney 0 Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 With a disclaimer that I haven't seen the incident, what a hypocrite Wenger is - anyone remember the thing about 3 years ago when Henry took a couple of quick free-kicks and Wenger said he had every right to do so? Very Wenger This is the same ref who missed Henry's handball against Ireland. After that game, cut to Wenger in the studio giggling, whilst protecting the ref and saying something like "these things even themselves out". dick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 I agree with all that, Ewerk and Alex. The mistakes are rare, which is a huge bonus. He's nowhere near one of the best keepers in the world though, imo. Defo in the top 4 of the Prem, however. His dominance of his own area is very poor though, and that's the sort of thing that puts the shits up defenders. It's all well and good stopping the 25 yarders(which he's superb at), but when you're back 4 are forced into defending the 6 yard box on crosses, it's asking for mistakes. You know Ant though, feast or famine with that kid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 Playing for Ireland doesn't in itself tbf. England are better than Ireland and look at some of the shite we've had in goal recently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney 0 Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 Being without huge flaws in your game would make you one of the best. A keeper unable to collect crosses and with shite distribution wouldn't be one of the best. Also, regarding international selection. He's been great for Ireland, as expectations aren't that high, and what's the alternative, Paddy Kenny? We know how that goes(Cyprus). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26524 Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 I agree with all that, Ewerk and Alex. The mistakes are rare, which is a huge bonus. He's nowhere near one of the best keepers in the world though, imo. Defo in the top 4 of the Prem, however. His dominance of his own area is very poor though, and that's the sort of thing that puts the shits up defenders. It's all well and good stopping the 25 yarders(which he's superb at), but when you're back 4 are forced into defending the 6 yard box on crosses, it's asking for mistakes. You know Ant though, feast or famine with that kid Too soon... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Kenneth Noisewater 0 Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 I agree with all that, Ewerk and Alex. The mistakes are rare, which is a huge bonus. He's nowhere near one of the best keepers in the world though, imo. Defo in the top 4 of the Prem, however. His dominance of his own area is very poor though, and that's the sort of thing that puts the shits up defenders. It's all well and good stopping the 25 yarders(which he's superb at), but when you're back 4 are forced into defending the 6 yard box on crosses, it's asking for mistakes. You know Ant though, feast or famine with that kid Too soon... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 Playing for Ireland doesn't in itself tbf. England are better than Ireland and look at some of the shite we've had in goal recently. That's why i mentioned the other things, like you said in the players awards/teams of the year etc his name comes up, hes regarded as one of the best in one of the top leagues, which sort places him in the "one of the best in the world" list. Put it this way, there's not many teams in the world he wouldn't be the first choice keeper in.. Why mention it then? The other two things you mentioned don't make you world class either imo although it's a definition which is largely down to the individual so it's a bit moot. I really don't see how anyone could argue with the limitations Barney mentions though. This has been done to death anyway and I couldn't really give a fuck about Given's career any more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4231 Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 god just watching the "highlights" of bayern v fiorentina ref is an utter turd, he was absolutely awful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney 0 Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 Refs from both games last night getting slated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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