BNP wins seats

[LeazesMag 0]

Losing it in his dotage tbh.

 

 

ah. You are back. You know nowt about this lad so I wouldn't bother if I was you.

[LeazesMag 0]

ah. The end of the communist dream. Please explain why the Russians invaded all of eastern europe ....... CND were gullible fools.

 

 

They didn't invade anywhere post 1945 - they just stayed in the countries theyd liberated from Gemany

 

are you real ? Seriously.

[manc-mag 1]

Losing it in his dotage tbh.

 

 

ah. You are back. You know nowt about this lad so I wouldn't bother if I was you.

 

I know how thick you are.

[NJS 3981]

We aren't talking about the US we are talking about the spread of Russian forces in eastern europe.

 

So why weren't the US deterred by the Russian weapons? - the point is the deterrent was a lie.

 

is this your anti west stance kicking in again ?

 

No - both sides were idiotic.

 

However the US entered more wars post 1945 than the Russians which I don't mind pointing out.

[Guest alex]

No they didn't.

 

yes they did !

Can you supply anything to back that up? By 'that' I mean that CND believed the Soviet Union would get rid of all their weapons once the UK had done the same.

 

 

Do you mean I should be looking for a comment by Kruschev promising to give up its arsenal if we did the same ? The CND "wanted" unilateral disarmement because they were gullible. The Russians would never have laid down their military machine back then.

No, I just thought the comment "CND supporters thought if we laid down our weapons, the Russians would have laid down theirs" was misrepresentative of the movement so asked if you had anything to back that up. No hidden meanings.

[NJS 3981]

ah. The end of the communist dream. Please explain why the Russians invaded all of eastern europe ....... CND were gullible fools.

 

 

They didn't invade anywhere post 1945 - they just stayed in the countries theyd liberated from Gemany

 

are you real ? Seriously.

 

Give examples then.

[Park Life 70]

Metapolitics lives. [Leazes/]

[LeazesMag 0]

ah. The end of the communist dream. Please explain why the Russians invaded all of eastern europe ....... CND were gullible fools.

 

 

They didn't invade anywhere post 1945 - they just stayed in the countries theyd liberated from Gemany

 

are you real ? Seriously.

 

Give examples then.

 

oh dear.

 

Are you pretending the old eastern bloc didn't exist now.

 

http://www.upi.com/Audio/Year_in_Review/Ev...03153093431-10/

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/s...000/2739039.stm

 

Perhaps one of our German based posters can enlighten you on the plight and history of Berlin ........ and East Germany.......

staggering you are even asking this.

Edited February 3, 2010 by LeazesMag

[LeazesMag 0]

Losing it in his dotage tbh.

 

 

ah. You are back. You know nowt about this lad so I wouldn't bother if I was you.

 

I know how thick you are.

 

you are out of your depth here son.

[LeazesMag 0]

What you getting at Leazes?

 

 

That old lark about CND being funded by the commies.

 

Sorry Parky, you're not dense like manc mag and one or two others, but it was.

[AgentAxeman 82]

"Baroness Ashton, the new European Union foreign minister, is facing questions over her role in the Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament amid claims that it may have had financial links to the Soviet Union.

 

Lady Ashton, who was last week appointed EU High Representative for Foreign Affairs, was treasurer of CND in the early 1980s. She has said she had no contacts with the Soviet Union and had never accepted money from Moscow.

 

The UK Independence Party has written to Jose Manuel Barroso, the European Commission President, asking him to investigate whether Lady Ashton was party to payments allegedly made to CND from the Soviet regime in Moscow.

 

The letter, based on allegations made by Vladimir Bukovsky, a former Soviet dissident, claimed that it is “very likely” that CND received “unidentified income” from Moscow in the 1980s.

 

“CND was notoriously secretive about its sources of funding and did not submit its accounts to independent audit; however, after public pressure they were audited for the first time in 1982-1983,” Gerard Batten, a Ukip MEP, wrote.

 

“It was found that 38 per cent of their annual income (£176,197) could not be traced back to the original donors. The person responsible for this part of CND fund-raising, from anonymous donors. . . was a member of the Communist Party of Great Britain.”

[manc-mag 1]

Losing it in his dotage tbh.

 

 

ah. You are back. You know nowt about this lad so I wouldn't bother if I was you.

 

I know how thick you are.

 

you are out of your depth here son.

 

 

 

All you've got is opinions and demonstrably no critical faculties. The fact you're posting lines of dissociated words is neither here nor there.

[LeazesMag 0]

Losing it in his dotage tbh.

 

 

ah. You are back. You know nowt about this lad so I wouldn't bother if I was you.

 

I know how thick you are.

 

you are out of your depth here son.

 

 

 

All you've got is opinions and demonstrably no critical faculties. The fact you're posting lines of dissociated words is neither here nor there.

 

 

not "opinions".

 

YAWN ........

[Park Life 70]

What you getting at Leazes?

 

 

That old lark about CND being funded by the commies.

 

Sorry Parky, you're not dense like manc mag and one or two others, but it was.

 

It was and it wasn't, there is deffo some evidence that payments/fraternal grants were paid to cnd from dubious sources. Not many on here would know that mind.

[Guest alex]

I don't doubt there was some KGB infiltration into movements like CND at the height of the Cold War but you could say that about dozens of other organisations not to mention every branch of the Armed Forces but it doesn't make them sympathetic to the Soviet Union as a whole, does it?

[LeazesMag 0]

"Baroness Ashton, the new European Union foreign minister, is facing questions over her role in the Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament amid claims that it may have had financial links to the Soviet Union.

 

Lady Ashton, who was last week appointed EU High Representative for Foreign Affairs, was treasurer of CND in the early 1980s. She has said she had no contacts with the Soviet Union and had never accepted money from Moscow.

 

The UK Independence Party has written to Jose Manuel Barroso, the European Commission President, asking him to investigate whether Lady Ashton was party to payments allegedly made to CND from the Soviet regime in Moscow.

 

The letter, based on allegations made by Vladimir Bukovsky, a former Soviet dissident, claimed that it is “very likely” that CND received “unidentified income” from Moscow in the 1980s.

 

“CND was notoriously secretive about its sources of funding and did not submit its accounts to independent audit; however, after public pressure they were audited for the first time in 1982-1983,” Gerard Batten, a Ukip MEP, wrote.

 

“It was found that 38 per cent of their annual income (£176,197) could not be traced back to the original donors. The person responsible for this part of CND fund-raising, from anonymous donors. . . was a member of the Communist Party of Great Britain.”

 

Collets bookshop was central to the movement too

 

http://www.london-rip.com/morebookshops.html

 

http://www.amielandmelburn.org.uk/collecti..._04_adverts.pdf

 

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/release...r14/reckitt.htm

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campaign_for_...ear_Disarmament

[NJS 3981]

ah. The end of the communist dream. Please explain why the Russians invaded all of eastern europe ....... CND were gullible fools.

 

 

They didn't invade anywhere post 1945 - they just stayed in the countries theyd liberated from Gemany

 

are you real ? Seriously.

 

Give examples then.

 

oh dear.

 

Are you pretending the old eastern bloc didn't exist now.

 

http://www.upi.com/Audio/Year_in_Review/Ev...03153093431-10/

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/s...000/2739039.stm

 

Perhaps one of our German based posters can enlighten you on the plight and history of Berlin ........ and East Germany.......

staggering you are even asking this.

 

 

Hungary was putting down an uprising against a puppet regime which was just like the one in Eastern Germany - if you count that as an invasion then the US have invaded about 20 countries in the last 50 years.

 

East Germany was a spoil of war - you can thank your no doubt hero Churchill for giving them that.

[LeazesMag 0]

ah. The end of the communist dream. Please explain why the Russians invaded all of eastern europe ....... CND were gullible fools.

 

 

They didn't invade anywhere post 1945 - they just stayed in the countries theyd liberated from Gemany

 

are you real ? Seriously.

 

Give examples then.

 

oh dear.

 

Are you pretending the old eastern bloc didn't exist now.

 

http://www.upi.com/Audio/Year_in_Review/Ev...03153093431-10/

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/s...000/2739039.stm

 

Perhaps one of our German based posters can enlighten you on the plight and history of Berlin ........ and East Germany.......

staggering you are even asking this.

 

 

Hungary was putting down an uprising against a puppet regime which was just like the one in Eastern Germany - if you count that as an invasion then the US have invaded about 20 countries in the last 50 years.

 

East Germany was a spoil of war - you can thank your no doubt hero Churchill for giving them that.

 

So you are anti - west then ?

 

I thought so.

[manc-mag 1]

Losing it in his dotage tbh.

 

 

ah. You are back. You know nowt about this lad so I wouldn't bother if I was you.

 

I know how thick you are.

 

you are out of your depth here son.

 

 

 

All you've got is opinions and demonstrably no critical faculties. The fact you're posting lines of dissociated words is neither here nor there.

 

 

not "opinions".

 

YAWN ........

 

 

 

When you dismiss arguments without actually providing a counter argument (95% of your output, the rest being padded out by casual racism), they're opinions and nowt else.

[manc-mag 1]

I don't doubt there was some KGB infiltration into movements like CND at the height of the Cold War but you could say that about dozens of other organisations not to mention every branch of the Armed Forces but it doesn't make them sympathetic to the Soviet Union as a whole, does it?

 

ouch tbh.

[Guest alex]

So was this funding a secret or something every supporter would have known about?

[NJS 3981]

So you are anti - west then ?

 

I thought so.

 

 

I'm anti-everything that I see as wrong - no matter what the side or politics. I'm especially not blinded by patriotism.

[Park Life 70]

Soviet money was also paid to Socialist Worker, The Union movement, Socialist Party of GB, Militant Tendency (I saw the cheques) Communist Pary of GB and the Labour Party, Liverpool City council . During the miners strike food parcels were paid for by the Internationalist fund based in Czech adn Poland.

Edited February 3, 2010 by Park Life

[Guest alex]

Soviet money was also paid to Socialist Worker, The Union movement, Socialist Party of GB, Militant Tendency (I saw the cheques) Communist Pary of GB and the Labour Party, Liverpool City council . During the miners strike food parcels were paid for by the Internationalist fund based in Czech adn Poland.

Tbf, how else would they have afforded Derek Hatton's suits?

[Ayatollah Hermione 12767]

ah. The end of the communist dream. Please explain why the Russians invaded all of eastern europe ....... CND were gullible fools.

 

 

They didn't invade anywhere post 1945 - they just stayed in the countries theyd liberated from Gemany

 

are you real ? Seriously.

 

Give examples then.

 

oh dear.

 

Are you pretending the old eastern bloc didn't exist now.

 

http://www.upi.com/Audio/Year_in_Review/Ev...03153093431-10/

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/s...000/2739039.stm

 

Perhaps one of our German based posters can enlighten you on the plight and history of Berlin ........ and East Germany.......

staggering you are even asking this.

 

Czechoslovakia was Soviet rule when they rolled the tanks in, despite being a Socialist government. It still operated under the Soviet's system of economy and industry which is why Dubcek attempted his reforms. The Soviets used the Brezhnev Doctrine, which allowed them to invade any country that they thought was swaying to capitalism, as a justification for invasion. They never invaded anywhere to claim land but rather keep the satellite states they already had.