Renton 17981 Posted March 1, 2010 Share Posted March 1, 2010 I've had a brief dig around and can't see where Veritas got their data from, so so much for your 'absolute fact' - it's a moot point at best but probably just plain wrong. Everything else I've read puts our net contribution as between 5 and 10 billion euro, about the same as France (which has recently increased its contribution) and significantly less than Germany. This graph is 4 years old but I'd love to know how there has been a ten fold increase since then. I'd suggest the huge trading benefits, as well as ease of transport, legal benefits, and intangible benefits etc, more than make up for our contribution. Btw, reading through the Civitas website, seriously AA, do you think they are impartial? They're a right wing 'think tank' who are overtly euroskeptic and seemingly have close ties with Migration watch, another right wing think tank (whatever a think tank is). You can't present their views as unbiased. Hate to tell you bud but your chart is 6 yrs out of date as are your figures I'm not certain if Civitas are impartial and quite frankly im not bothered if they are or not. http://www.civitas.org.uk/eufacts/ They say it has been, in their words 'refereed by experts' from both sides of the european debate. link for said experts: http://www.civitas.org.uk/eufacts/credits.html . How do Civitas 'seemingly' have close ties with Migration watch? would need a source to give that statement any creedence whatsoever. Tbh Renton imo you are so far 'left wing' you see the middle ground as 'right wing'. Thats not a dig at you btw, I admire your dedication to your beliefs, just not your politik I love this impression you have that I am some how 'far left'. I'm a new Labour supporter with a leaning towards the liberal democrats man. How much more centrist could I be? Tell you what my socialist grandad would be turning in his grave at some of my right wing views. As for Civitas, they make the claims you state but nothing is referenced so it's not really possible to trust them. Thery constantly cite data from Migration Watch. I think you need to be aware of the spin they put on things. Also, why do you think they exist? Serious question, think about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted March 1, 2010 Share Posted March 1, 2010 I've had a brief dig around and can't see where Veritas got their data from, so so much for your 'absolute fact' - it's a moot point at best but probably just plain wrong. Everything else I've read puts our net contribution as between 5 and 10 billion euro, about the same as France (which has recently increased its contribution) and significantly less than Germany. This graph is 4 years old but I'd love to know how there has been a ten fold increase since then. I'd suggest the huge trading benefits, as well as ease of transport, legal benefits, and intangible benefits etc, more than make up for our contribution. Btw, reading through the Civitas website, seriously AA, do you think they are impartial? They're a right wing 'think tank' who are overtly euroskeptic and seemingly have close ties with Migration watch, another right wing think tank (whatever a think tank is). You can't present their views as unbiased. Hate to tell you bud but your chart is 6 yrs out of date as are your figures I'm not certain if Civitas are impartial and quite frankly im not bothered if they are or not. http://www.civitas.org.uk/eufacts/ They say it has been, in their words 'refereed by experts' from both sides of the european debate. link for said experts: http://www.civitas.org.uk/eufacts/credits.html . How do Civitas 'seemingly' have close ties with Migration watch? would need a source to give that statement any creedence whatsoever. Tbh Renton imo you are so far 'left wing' you see the middle ground as 'right wing'. Thats not a dig at you btw, I admire your dedication to your beliefs, just not your politik Seems like you take stuff at face value if it supports your views and are very sceptical if it doesn't to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted March 1, 2010 Share Posted March 1, 2010 Seems like you take stuff at face value if it supports your views and are very sceptical if it doesn't to me What's the word for that? Solipsism? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 70 Posted March 1, 2010 Share Posted March 1, 2010 BNp are basically a protest vote for the disenfrancised white working class who are a little bit thick as well. Most Govt fail most of the time anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17981 Posted March 1, 2010 Share Posted March 1, 2010 BNp are basically a protest vote for the disenfrancised white working class who are a little bit thick as well. Most Govt fail most of the time anyway. Never normally agree with you Parky but that's spot on, you've summed up this thread in a nutshell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted March 1, 2010 Share Posted March 1, 2010 I don't like the term protest vote. Suggests we're stuck with Labour/Tories no matter what. Voting for either of them opposes just about every principle I would have if I wasn't so lazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 70 Posted March 1, 2010 Share Posted March 1, 2010 BNp are basically a protest vote for the disenfrancised white working class who are a little bit thick as well. Most Govt fail most of the time anyway. Never normally agree with you Parky but that's spot on, you've summed up this thread in a nutshell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 70 Posted March 1, 2010 Share Posted March 1, 2010 I don't like the term protest vote. Suggests we're stuck with Labour/Tories no matter what. Voting for either of them opposes just about every principle I would have if I wasn't so lazy. Buddha and Hiltler we're both lazy. One started work at 11.30 and still took 2hrs for lunch and the other sat under a tree all day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted March 1, 2010 Share Posted March 1, 2010 I don't like the term protest vote. Suggests we're stuck with Labour/Tories no matter what. Voting for either of them opposes just about every principle I would have if I wasn't so lazy. Buddha and Hiltler we're both lazy. One started work at 11.30 and still took 2hrs for lunch and the other sat under a tree all day. I knew they both liked the swastika, but i had no idea they were the same person...and you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 70 Posted March 1, 2010 Share Posted March 1, 2010 I don't like the term protest vote. Suggests we're stuck with Labour/Tories no matter what. Voting for either of them opposes just about every principle I would have if I wasn't so lazy. Buddha and Hiltler we're both lazy. One started work at 11.30 and still took 2hrs for lunch and the other sat under a tree all day. I knew they both liked the swastika, but i had no idea they were the same person...and you. We are all one my friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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manc-mag 1 Posted March 1, 2010 Share Posted March 1, 2010 Back in his Northern Soul days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted March 1, 2010 Share Posted March 1, 2010 Back in his Northern Soul days. Aye, still big in Wigan as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgentAxeman 82 Posted March 1, 2010 Share Posted March 1, 2010 They constantly cite data from Migration Watch. .....so does the BBC. do you think that particular corporation is a right wing facist hotbed as well?? ffs, poor effort there Renton! 1st you provide blatently out of date and incorrect info, and then you suggest a political link when its already been stated that the info provided has been independently refereed and judged by both sides of the argument. Even the current government of the day uses migration watch when the figures show a positive spin for their cause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgentAxeman 82 Posted March 1, 2010 Share Posted March 1, 2010 Seems like you take stuff at face value if it supports your views and are very sceptical if it doesn't to me right back at ya Alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgentAxeman 82 Posted March 1, 2010 Share Posted March 1, 2010 BNp are basically a protest vote for the disenfrancised white working class who are a little bit thick as well. Most Govt fail most of the time anyway. Never normally agree with you Parky but that's spot on, you've summed up this thread in a nutshell. Renton, it must keep you lovely and warm that smug, self delusional but satisfied feeling of superiority! if i was LM i would suggest its all down to a university education!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted March 1, 2010 Share Posted March 1, 2010 BNp are basically a protest vote for the disenfrancised white working class who are a little bit thick as well. Most Govt fail most of the time anyway. Never normally agree with you Parky but that's spot on, you've summed up this thread in a nutshell. Renton, it must keep you lovely and warm that smug, self delusional but satisfied feeling of superiority! if i was LM i would suggest its all down to a university education!! Come on Axeman. Nick Griffin is the most intelligent man that supports the BNP, and he's thick as pigshit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17981 Posted March 1, 2010 Share Posted March 1, 2010 They constantly cite data from Migration Watch. .....so does the BBC. do you think that particular corporation is a right wing facist hotbed as well?? ffs, poor effort there Renton! 1st you provide blatently out of date and incorrect info, and then you suggest a political link when its already been stated that the info provided has been independently refereed and judged by both sides of the argument. Even the current government of the day uses migration watch when the figures show a positive spin for their cause. Read that particular post again. I stated at the time that the data was (slightly) out of date but it's the best I could find. However, unlike your figure of over £40 Billion, at least its properly referenced. Now, where and how did Civitas get their figure? Both Migration Watch and Civitas are self-admitted right wing think tanks. I think this is relevant for putting their statements in a correct context, don't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17981 Posted March 1, 2010 Share Posted March 1, 2010 BNp are basically a protest vote for the disenfrancised white working class who are a little bit thick as well. Most Govt fail most of the time anyway. Never normally agree with you Parky but that's spot on, you've summed up this thread in a nutshell. Renton, it must keep you lovely and warm that smug, self delusional but satisfied feeling of superiority! if i was LM i would suggest its all down to a university education!! Oh dear. If you can't win the argument, attack the person who's delivering it. Well done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted March 1, 2010 Share Posted March 1, 2010 BNp are basically a protest vote for the disenfrancised white working class who are a little bit thick as well. Most Govt fail most of the time anyway. Never normally agree with you Parky but that's spot on, you've summed up this thread in a nutshell. Renton, it must keep you lovely and warm that smug, self delusional but satisfied feeling of superiority! if i was LM i would suggest its all down to a university education!! Is that Nick Griffin's excuse too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted March 1, 2010 Share Posted March 1, 2010 Seems like you take stuff at face value if it supports your views and are very sceptical if it doesn't to me right back at ya Alex You can answer my question on the previous page if you feel like it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted March 1, 2010 Author Share Posted March 1, 2010 BNp are basically a protest vote for the disenfrancised white working class who are a little bit thick as well. Most Govt fail most of the time anyway. Never normally agree with you Parky but that's spot on, you've summed up this thread in a nutshell. ah, the man who is in the "centre of politics" but doesn't read "right wing rags" and does read "left wing publications" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted March 1, 2010 Author Share Posted March 1, 2010 BNp are basically a protest vote for the disenfrancised white working class who are a little bit thick as well. Most Govt fail most of the time anyway. Never normally agree with you Parky but that's spot on, you've summed up this thread in a nutshell. Renton, it must keep you lovely and warm that smug, self delusional but satisfied feeling of superiority! he's a well adjusted intellectual you know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17981 Posted March 1, 2010 Share Posted March 1, 2010 BNp are basically a protest vote for the disenfrancised white working class who are a little bit thick as well. Most Govt fail most of the time anyway. Never normally agree with you Parky but that's spot on, you've summed up this thread in a nutshell. ah, the man who is in the "centre of politics" but doesn't read "right wing rags" and does read "left wing publications" Read the quote in the correct context Leazes, the Mail is a dishonest paper, hence the rag terminology. What 'left wing publications' do you think I read anyway? Do you think the Times (my main paper) is left wing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted March 1, 2010 Author Share Posted March 1, 2010 (edited) BNp are basically a protest vote for the disenfrancised white working class who are a little bit thick as well. Most Govt fail most of the time anyway. Never normally agree with you Parky but that's spot on, you've summed up this thread in a nutshell. ah, the man who is in the "centre of politics" but doesn't read "right wing rags" and does read "left wing publications" Read the quote in the correct context Leazes, the Mail is a dishonest paper, hence the rag terminology. What 'left wing publications' do you think I read anyway? Do you think the Times (my main paper) is left wing? I took your own quote. Basically, you're a boring cunt. Edit. wtf do you mean by "dishonest paper" anyway Edited March 1, 2010 by LeazesMag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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