England team banned from wearing a poppy!

[Kid Dynamite 6097]

 

Help me here people is this supposed to be satirical? I thought it was but twitter is full of people posting this as a serious picture

 

I think it's a fair enough message. If you want to be anti-poppy, then you're free to move to Switzerland or Ireland and live there.

 

Northern Ireland?

[Guest CabayeAye]

I dont think it is, as an aside Ive never known or heard of anyone who finds the poppy offensive, its like some kind of percieved offence that "other people" have

 

same with this fifa thing, so many people have assumed its purely an antipoppy initiative without actually checking out the simple fact that its is a blanket ban on any and all additional emblems to save fifa an unneccessary moderating job

 

That's the thing. FIFA are treating this as in inconvevience. It really wouldn't be hard to grant one off permission for this. I mean, why do FIFA actually get their money?

[Guest CabayeAye]

 

Help me here people is this supposed to be satirical? I thought it was but twitter is full of people posting this as a serious picture

 

I think it's a fair enough message. If you want to be anti-poppy, then you're free to move to Switzerland or Ireland and live there.

 

Northern Ireland?

 

NI is in the UK.

[Howmanheyman 27606]

I can see that people are generally supporting the poppy, yet for some reason mock the Daily Mail for bringing it to the attention in the way they did ? Why is this ?

 

My problem with the Mail article started with the headline - "Outcry as England stars are banned from having a poppy on their kit"

 

It's misleading on several points..

 

1. There was no outcry. Their story was the start of the outcry

2. There's not a ban for England, it's a ban for all international teams

3. It's not a ban of the poppy, it's a ban for any logos

4. There is not a star in the England team, every one of them is a c*nt.

 

The "FIFA are Nazi sympathizers" guff takes it to Vizian levels.

That is basically it in a nutshell. My old man was in the Forces as was his Dad in WWII, on my Mothers side there were relations who were shot and one who was blown up trying to keep peace and order in N.Ireland. This has fuck all to do with anti-Poppy and everything to do with sensationalist headlines by a paper well known for it. Thats all really.

[Andrew 4287]

I dont think it is, as an aside Ive never known or heard of anyone who finds the poppy offensive, its like some kind of percieved offence that "other people" have

 

same with this fifa thing, so many people have assumed its purely an antipoppy initiative without actually checking out the simple fact that its is a blanket ban on any and all additional emblems to save fifa an unneccessary moderating job

 

That's the thing. FIFA are treating this as in inconvevience. It really wouldn't be hard to grant one off permission for this. I mean, why do FIFA actually get their money?

 

but that just the point, its a blanket no exceptions rule, if they make one they'll have to make more, precedents are set.

 

newsflash we aren't that fucking special, many other countries have many other things they want to commemorate just as much as we'd like to do this. why should we get permission while they shouldnt?

[Kid Dynamite 6097]

He's played 11games for spurs man

 

When did he become fucking cafu?

About the same time that Simpson became good enough for an England call up. He's been very impressive for QPR and Villa aside from his turn outs for Tottenham. We paid £500,000 for Danny Simpson, and I have no grudge towards him over Unitedgate, he's no different from most people of his age group from inner city Manchester - thick as fuck, clueless and dopey as fuck. Anyway I think that's his value 500k, and it's almost embarrassing him watching him tweet about England call ups, we will outgrow Simpson as early as this season. He's a decent put on, but no more than that, his level is Wigan/Cardiff/Leeds, he doesn't offer enough going forward, and hides at times to be considered anywhere near England class. Can you seriously imagine "Simmo" scoring the goal Walker did against the Arsenal?

 

Who gives a fuck about a right backs iq or goal scoring abilities? Simpson, like Taylor before him, gets so much unwarranted stick. He helped get us promoted, helped put us 3rd and helped make a formidable rw partnership with Barton last season.

[Guest CabayeAye]

I dont think it is, as an aside Ive never known or heard of anyone who finds the poppy offensive, its like some kind of percieved offence that "other people" have

 

same with this fifa thing, so many people have assumed its purely an antipoppy initiative without actually checking out the simple fact that its is a blanket ban on any and all additional emblems to save fifa an unneccessary moderating job

 

That's the thing. FIFA are treating this as in inconvevience. It really wouldn't be hard to grant one off permission for this. I mean, why do FIFA actually get their money?

 

but that just the point, its a blanket no exceptions rule, if they make one they'll have to make more, precedents are set.

 

newsflash we aren't that fucking special, many other countries have many other things they want to commemorate just as much as we'd like to do this. why should we get permission while they shouldnt?

 

They should get permission provided it isn't racist or partisan.

[Andrew 4287]

and who decides what constitues a racist/partisan emblem? things aren't a simple black or white in matters like these

[Kid Dynamite 6097]

 

Help me here people is this supposed to be satirical? I thought it was but twitter is full of people posting this as a serious picture

 

I think it's a fair enough message. If you want to be anti-poppy, then you're free to move to Switzerland or Ireland and live there.

 

Northern Ireland?

 

NI is in the UK.

 

I know many

 

I'm all for the poppy. I'm all against the all Garnett school of telling people to fuck off back home. And I would hope the soldiers who died at war would be too. I bet there's not one person on here has first hand experience of a minority kicking up a stink about poppies. We had gurkhas fighting on our side ffs

[ChezGiven 0]

I dont think it is, as an aside Ive never known or heard of anyone who finds the poppy offensive, its like some kind of percieved offence that "other people" have

 

same with this fifa thing, so many people have assumed its purely an antipoppy initiative without actually checking out the simple fact that its is a blanket ban on any and all additional emblems to save fifa an unneccessary moderating job

 

That's the thing. FIFA are treating this as in inconvevience. It really wouldn't be hard to grant one off permission for this. I mean, why do FIFA actually get their money?

 

but that just the point, its a blanket no exceptions rule, if they make one they'll have to make more, precedents are set.

 

newsflash we aren't that fucking special, many other countries have many other things they want to commemorate just as much as we'd like to do this. why should we get permission while they shouldnt?

 

Bollocks, there has only been 2 World Wars and the second one was the most significant event in the history of mankind. FIFA may be correct in following their own rules and thats fine but it doesnt give them any moral highground, nor you.

[Guest CabayeAye]

and who decides what constitues a racist/partisan emblem? things aren't a simple black or white in matters like these

 

I don't know like, it's usually pretty clear if someone is being racist or controversial. I can't see there being an issue unless someone tries to get swastikas or porn on their shirt or anything.

[McFaul 35]

He's played 11games for spurs man

 

When did he become fucking cafu?

About the same time that Simpson became good enough for an England call up. He's been very impressive for QPR and Villa aside from his turn outs for Tottenham. We paid £500,000 for Danny Simpson, and I have no grudge towards him over Unitedgate, he's no different from most people of his age group from inner city Manchester - thick as fuck, clueless and dopey as fuck. Anyway I think that's his value 500k, and it's almost embarrassing him watching him tweet about England call ups, we will outgrow Simpson as early as this season. He's a decent put on, but no more than that, his level is Wigan/Cardiff/Leeds, he doesn't offer enough going forward, and hides at times to be considered anywhere near England class. Can you seriously imagine "Simmo" scoring the goal Walker did against the Arsenal?

 

Who gives a fuck about a right backs iq or goal scoring abilities? Simpson, like Taylor before him, gets so much unwarranted stick. He helped get us promoted, helped put us 3rd and helped make a formidable rw partnership with Barton last season.

I'd hardly say it was formidable. He's a decent put on, but that's all, most MATCH-GOING NON FAKE BOYCOTTING supporters will tell you the same. He's not an outlet, he doesn't like having the ball, that's honestly. Sooner Santon gets a regular game the better for our long term prospects, if someone like Villa are daft enough to give us 3m I'd snap their hauns off.

[Guest CabayeAye]

 

Help me here people is this supposed to be satirical? I thought it was but twitter is full of people posting this as a serious picture

 

I think it's a fair enough message. If you want to be anti-poppy, then you're free to move to Switzerland or Ireland and live there.

 

Northern Ireland?

 

NI is in the UK.

 

I know many

 

I'm all for the poppy. I'm all against the all Garnett school of telling people to fuck off back home. And I would hope the soldiers who died at war would be too. I bet there's not one person on here has first hand experience of a minority kicking up a stink about poppies. We had gurkhas fighting on our side ffs

 

Funnily enough I have many, many friends who are Gurkhas.

[Andrew 4287]

I dont think it is, as an aside Ive never known or heard of anyone who finds the poppy offensive, its like some kind of percieved offence that "other people" have

 

same with this fifa thing, so many people have assumed its purely an antipoppy initiative without actually checking out the simple fact that its is a blanket ban on any and all additional emblems to save fifa an unneccessary moderating job

 

That's the thing. FIFA are treating this as in inconvevience. It really wouldn't be hard to grant one off permission for this. I mean, why do FIFA actually get their money?

 

but that just the point, its a blanket no exceptions rule, if they make one they'll have to make more, precedents are set.

 

newsflash we aren't that fucking special, many other countries have many other things they want to commemorate just as much as we'd like to do this. why should we get permission while they shouldnt?

 

Bollocks, there has only been 2 World Wars and the second one was the most significant event in the history of mankind. FIFA may be correct in following their own rules and thats fine but it doesnt give them any moral highground, nor you.

 

what moral highground am I claiming there?

[ChezGiven 0]

I dont think it is, as an aside Ive never known or heard of anyone who finds the poppy offensive, its like some kind of percieved offence that "other people" have

 

same with this fifa thing, so many people have assumed its purely an antipoppy initiative without actually checking out the simple fact that its is a blanket ban on any and all additional emblems to save fifa an unneccessary moderating job

 

That's the thing. FIFA are treating this as in inconvevience. It really wouldn't be hard to grant one off permission for this. I mean, why do FIFA actually get their money?

 

but that just the point, its a blanket no exceptions rule, if they make one they'll have to make more, precedents are set.

 

newsflash we aren't that fucking special, many other countries have many other things they want to commemorate just as much as we'd like to do this. why should we get permission while they shouldnt?

 

Bollocks, there has only been 2 World Wars and the second one was the most significant event in the history of mankind. FIFA may be correct in following their own rules and thats fine but it doesnt give them any moral highground, nor you.

 

what moral highground am I claiming there?

 

When you passed judgement on the appropriateness of us wearing a poppy on our shirt in relation to the needs of other countries doing something similar. Thats a moral judgement.

[McFaul 35]

 

Help me here people is this supposed to be satirical? I thought it was but twitter is full of people posting this as a serious picture

 

I think it's a fair enough message. If you want to be anti-poppy, then you're free to move to Switzerland or Ireland and live there.

 

Northern Ireland?

 

NI is in the UK.

 

I know many

 

I'm all for the poppy. I'm all against the all Garnett school of telling people to fuck off back home. And I would hope the soldiers who died at war would be too. I bet there's not one person on here has first hand experience of a minority kicking up a stink about poppies. We had gurkhas fighting on our side ffs

 

Funnily enough I have many, many friends who are Gurkhas.

aye the famous Peaturlea Gurkhas To be fair I agree with some of what you have said however.

[Guest CabayeAye]

 

Help me here people is this supposed to be satirical? I thought it was but twitter is full of people posting this as a serious picture

 

I think it's a fair enough message. If you want to be anti-poppy, then you're free to move to Switzerland or Ireland and live there.

 

Northern Ireland?

 

NI is in the UK.

 

I know many

 

I'm all for the poppy. I'm all against the all Garnett school of telling people to fuck off back home. And I would hope the soldiers who died at war would be too. I bet there's not one person on here has first hand experience of a minority kicking up a stink about poppies. We had gurkhas fighting on our side ffs

 

Funnily enough I have many, many friends who are Gurkhas.

aye the famous Peaturlea Gurkhas To be fair I agree with some of what you have said however.

 

Tit! No, the real Gurkhas man!

[Andrew 4287]

When you passed judgement on the appropriateness of us wearing a poppy on our shirt in relation to the needs of other countries doing something similar. Thats a moral judgement.

I disagree on it being a moral judgement on my part but if thats the case

 

 

what level of significance do fifa say "no this is a frivolous abuse of the rules we wont allow it"?

 

who has the right to decide that? fact is if they allow the use of the poppy then they have no fair grounds to refuse any other nation the right to any other emblem

[Kid Dynamite 6097]

He's played 11games for spurs man

 

When did he become fucking cafu?

About the same time that Simpson became good enough for an England call up. He's been very impressive for QPR and Villa aside from his turn outs for Tottenham. We paid £500,000 for Danny Simpson, and I have no grudge towards him over Unitedgate, he's no different from most people of his age group from inner city Manchester - thick as fuck, clueless and dopey as fuck. Anyway I think that's his value 500k, and it's almost embarrassing him watching him tweet about England call ups, we will outgrow Simpson as early as this season. He's a decent put on, but no more than that, his level is Wigan/Cardiff/Leeds, he doesn't offer enough going forward, and hides at times to be considered anywhere near England class. Can you seriously imagine "Simmo" scoring the goal Walker did against the Arsenal?

 

Who gives a fuck about a right backs iq or goal scoring abilities? Simpson, like Taylor before him, gets so much unwarranted stick. He helped get us promoted, helped put us 3rd and helped make a formidable rw partnership with Barton last season.

I'd hardly say it was formidable. He's a decent put on, but that's all, most MATCH-GOING NON FAKE BOYCOTTING supporters will tell you the same. He's not an outlet, he doesn't like having the ball, that's honestly. Sooner Santon gets a regular game the better for our long term prospects, if someone like Villa are daft enough to give us 3m I'd snap their hauns off.

 

You can shove your soopa fandom up your arse tbh. Doesn't make my point any less salient.

[Guest CabayeAye]

Fully understand your argument, Sentimental, but I do feel that FIFA should make an effort when specifically asked.

[Andrew 4287]

Fully understand your argument, Sentimental, but I do feel that FIFA should make an effort when specifically asked.

 

but thats just it, asking is a case of sending an email or making a phone call, its not exactly a great job but who gets the job of deciding what conflicts warrant an emblem or what issues are allowed to be put on show on a football shirt?

 

if no one gets any movement then yes people are going to be pissed off but they'll be pissed off fairly and equally at least and, as has been said, the staff can still all wear poppies on the sidelines, the players could still all come out with them on those stupid jackets they wear for the anthem and I think im right in saying there will still be a minutes silence at the start

 

the rule just says "no kit changes midseason" and its being enforced

[McFaul 35]

He's played 11games for spurs man

 

When did he become fucking cafu?

About the same time that Simpson became good enough for an England call up. He's been very impressive for QPR and Villa aside from his turn outs for Tottenham. We paid £500,000 for Danny Simpson, and I have no grudge towards him over Unitedgate, he's no different from most people of his age group from inner city Manchester - thick as fuck, clueless and dopey as fuck. Anyway I think that's his value 500k, and it's almost embarrassing him watching him tweet about England call ups, we will outgrow Simpson as early as this season. He's a decent put on, but no more than that, his level is Wigan/Cardiff/Leeds, he doesn't offer enough going forward, and hides at times to be considered anywhere near England class. Can you seriously imagine "Simmo" scoring the goal Walker did against the Arsenal?

 

Who gives a fuck about a right backs iq or goal scoring abilities? Simpson, like Taylor before him, gets so much unwarranted stick. He helped get us promoted, helped put us 3rd and helped make a formidable rw partnership with Barton last season.

I'd hardly say it was formidable. He's a decent put on, but that's all, most MATCH-GOING NON FAKE BOYCOTTING supporters will tell you the same. He's not an outlet, he doesn't like having the ball, that's honestly. Sooner Santon gets a regular game the better for our long term prospects, if someone like Villa are daft enough to give us 3m I'd snap their hauns off.

 

You can shove your soopa fandom up your arse tbh. Doesn't make my point any less salient.

Your point is about as salient as my arse. For MGNFB's we see this point of view all of the time from armchair fans. Simpson will never be good enough to play at the top of the Premiership let alone England.

[Guest CabayeAye]

Fully understand your argument, Sentimental, but I do feel that FIFA should make an effort when specifically asked.

 

but thats just it, asking is a case of sending an email or making a phone call, its not exactly a great job but who gets the job of deciding what conflicts warrant an emblem or what issues are allowed to be put on show on a football shirt?

 

if no one gets any movement then yes people are going to be pissed off but they'll be pissed off fairly and equally at least and, as has been said, the staff can still all wear poppies on the sidelines, the players could still all come out with them on those stupid jackets they wear for the anthem and I think im right in saying there will still be a minutes silence at the start

 

the rule just says "no kit changes midseason" and its being enforced

 

Mate, I get dozens of emails, phone calls and meetings at work every day and have to make many decisions. Most I will get right, some I will unfortunatley get wrong. But getting some wrong and achieving something is better than making no decisions and doing nothing at at all.

[Kid Dynamite 6097]

It's 2011 man, you can see more live nufc games in the pub than you can at st James Park and I can guarantee I've seen a hell of a lot more of DS than you have of KW

Edited November 7, 2011 by J69

[Andrew 4287]

Fully understand your argument, Sentimental, but I do feel that FIFA should make an effort when specifically asked.

 

but thats just it, asking is a case of sending an email or making a phone call, its not exactly a great job but who gets the job of deciding what conflicts warrant an emblem or what issues are allowed to be put on show on a football shirt?

 

if no one gets any movement then yes people are going to be pissed off but they'll be pissed off fairly and equally at least and, as has been said, the staff can still all wear poppies on the sidelines, the players could still all come out with them on those stupid jackets they wear for the anthem and I think im right in saying there will still be a minutes silence at the start

 

the rule just says "no kit changes midseason" and its being enforced

 

Mate, I get dozens of emails, phone calls and meetings at work every day and have to make many decisions. Most I will get right, some I will unfortunatley get wrong. But getting some wrong and achieving something is better than making no decisions and doing nothing at at all.

 

do any of your decisions concern offending entire nations?