Anorthernsoul 1222 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 On 04/12/2018 at 20:48, Christmas Tree said: May is the only grown up in the room. Her deal does it’s best to join together the 52 & 48. The true brexiteers want a no deal that could damage the country. The remainers want to disregard the refferendum that would simply continue the split in the country. Corbyn is promoting a deal that is pure unicorn stuff. sad state of politics. Expand Blame your idol Cameron for this mess. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 34730 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 On 04/12/2018 at 20:48, Christmas Tree said: May is the only grown up in the room. Her deal does it’s best to join together the 52 & 48. The true brexiteers want a no deal that could damage the country. The remainers want to disregard the refferendum that would simply continue the split in the country. Corbyn is promoting a deal that is pure unicorn stuff. sad state of politics. Expand Eh? I thought May’s deal had turned you to remain? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bottled Dog 0 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 On 04/12/2018 at 20:48, Christmas Tree said: May is the only grown up in the room. Her deal does it’s best to join together the 52 & 48. The true brexiteers want a no deal that could damage the country. The remainers want to disregard the refferendum that would simply continue the split in the country. Corbyn is promoting a deal that is pure unicorn stuff. sad state of politics. Expand You knew what you were voting for. If you couldn't see the fuck on voting for turmoil would cause. Fuck off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 46813 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 On 04/12/2018 at 20:48, Christmas Tree said: May is the only grown up in the room. Her deal does it’s best to join together the 52 & 48. The true brexiteers want a no deal that could damage the country. The remainers want to disregard the refferendum that would simply continue the split in the country. Corbyn is promoting a deal that is pure unicorn stuff. sad state of politics. Expand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 5576 Posted December 4, 2018 Author Share Posted December 4, 2018 On 04/12/2018 at 21:02, Anorthernsoul said: Blame your idol Cameron for this mess. Expand No, it was Blair, then Brown who promised refferendums on EU and each kicked the can. Cameron put refferendum in manifesto and was elected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 5657 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 On 04/12/2018 at 21:42, Christmas Tree said: No, it was Blair, then Brown who promised refferendums on EU and each kicked the can. Cameron put refferendum in manifesto and was elected. Expand He's right you know, and on that can kicking Blair said... Quote Mr Blair said: "The electorate should be asked for their opinion when all our questions have been answered, when all the details are known, when the legislation has been finally tempered and scrutinised." Expand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 5576 Posted December 4, 2018 Author Share Posted December 4, 2018 On 04/12/2018 at 21:06, ewerk said: Eh? I thought May’s deal had turned you to remain? Expand I’ve entered a sustained period of flip flopping. If voted down I’m quite happy for Corbyn to take over on the condition he must resign should he be unable to negotiate a deal that meets his 6 tests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 5576 Posted December 4, 2018 Author Share Posted December 4, 2018 On 04/12/2018 at 21:16, Bottled Dog said: You knew what you were voting for. If you couldn't see the fuck on voting for turmoil would cause. Fuck off. Expand Remainer PM, Chancellor, Civil service, media....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 34730 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 You’ve entered a sustained period of being a cunt. At least eight years and counting by my reckoning. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 5576 Posted December 4, 2018 Author Share Posted December 4, 2018 On 04/12/2018 at 21:45, Andrew said: He's right you know, and on that can kicking Blair said... Expand Stop trying to be clever, it doesn’t become you. Blair said that 3 years before the Lisbon treaty was signed and didn’t follow through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 5576 Posted December 4, 2018 Author Share Posted December 4, 2018 On 04/12/2018 at 21:48, ewerk said: You’ve entered a sustained period of being a cunt. At least eight years and counting by my reckoning. Expand As one Tory to another I’m offended. You were praising Mays deal a few weeks ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 34730 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 (edited) Best deal she could have got given the problems she created for herself. Still not as good as the status quo. Just so we’re clear. Edited December 4, 2018 by ewerk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 5657 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 On 04/12/2018 at 21:52, Christmas Tree said: Blair said that 3 years before the Lisbon treaty was signed and didn’t follow through. Expand Ignoring the first part (perhaps try to be less of a cunt if you're fed up of people calling you one eh? I didn't say anything about you personally then) You're right, he did. Thing is, our questions still aren't answered despite having had a referendum, the details still aren't known despite apparently having drawn up a withdrawal agreement and what legislation there is is worthless. Some of you will remember better than I'm sure since I was pretty young in the early 2000s, what was the public appetite for a referendum on our EU membership during Blair/Browns tenures? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 5576 Posted December 4, 2018 Author Share Posted December 4, 2018 On 04/12/2018 at 22:05, Andrew said: Ignoring the first part (perhaps try to be less of a cunt if you're fed up of people calling you one eh? I didn't say anything about you personally then) You're right, he did. Thing is, our questions still aren't answered despite having had a referendum, the details still aren't known despite apparently having drawn up a withdrawal agreement and what legislation there is is worthless. Some of you will remember better than I'm sure since I was pretty young in the early 2000s, what was the public appetite for a referendum on our EU membership during Blair/Browns tenures? Expand So why quote Blair from 2004 if you have no idea of the context? Trying to be a smart arse and caught out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 19980 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 On 04/12/2018 at 22:05, Andrew said: Ignoring the first part (perhaps try to be less of a cunt if you're fed up of people calling you one eh? I didn't say anything about you personally then) You're right, he did. Thing is, our questions still aren't answered despite having had a referendum, the details still aren't known despite apparently having drawn up a withdrawal agreement and what legislation there is is worthless. Some of you will remember better than I'm sure since I was pretty young in the early 2000s, what was the public appetite for a referendum on our EU membership during Blair/Browns tenures? Expand It wasn’t publically discussed anywhere, in the media or by the general public. It needed a Tory government returning in 2010 for the bile to start spilling again, this shit has now been going on for nearly half a century. It’s a row in the Tory party that they thought it was a god idea to put to the country. With any luck it’ll fuckin destroy them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 5657 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 On 04/12/2018 at 22:14, PaddockLad said: It wasn’t publically discussed anywhere, in the media or by the general public. It needed a Tory government returning in 2010 for the bile to start spilling again, this shit has now been going on for nearly half a century. It’s a row in the Tory party that they thought it was a god idea to put to the country. With any luck it’ll fuckin destroy them. Expand I thought so, I've read as much but I don't remember, politics wasn't exactly the forefront of my 15 year old mind. Thanks for actually answering rather than just being a dick like CT, who seems to just have that as a single, default setting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 19980 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 On 04/12/2018 at 22:16, Andrew said: I thought so, I've read as much but I don't remember, politics wasn't exactly the forefront of my 15 year old mind. Thanks for actually answering rather than just being a dick like CT, who seems to just have that as a single, default setting. Expand CTs confused mate. He doesn’t know who or what to back at the moment that will make him look as contrary as possible on the internet. Bless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 24784 Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 On 04/12/2018 at 22:14, PaddockLad said: It wasn’t publically discussed anywhere, in the media or by the general public. It needed a Tory government returning in 2010 for the bile to start spilling again, this shit has now been going on for nearly half a century. It’s a row in the Tory party that they thought it was a god idea to put to the country. With any luck it’ll fuckin destroy them. Expand Too right, this mess is entirely of the Tory's making and especially CT's best Prime Minister Eva. I wish it would fucking destroy them but Corbyn has also destroyed the opposition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 34730 Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 16905 Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Must be how the Eton Wall Game works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 5576 Posted December 5, 2018 Author Share Posted December 5, 2018 On 04/12/2018 at 22:14, PaddockLad said: It wasn’t publically discussed anywhere, in the media or by the general public. It needed a Tory government returning in 2010 for the bile to start spilling again, this shit has now been going on for nearly half a century. It’s a row in the Tory party that they thought it was a god idea to put to the country. With any luck it’ll fuckin destroy them. Expand Wrong as usual The was mass public outcry at Labours plans to join the Euro and constant public / media upset with the EU. The Tories mainly wanted a referendum on the Lisbon treaty that Labour constantly promised to appease public concern. It was however Nick Clegg and the Liberal Democrat’s who were pushing for the full monty refferendum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 24784 Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 (edited) On 05/12/2018 at 10:31, Christmas Tree said: Wrong as usual The was mass public outcry at Labours plans to join the Euro and constant public / media upset with the EU. The Tories mainly wanted a referendum on the Lisbon treaty that Labour constantly promised to appease public concern. It was however Nick Clegg and the Liberal Democrat’s who were pushing for the full monty refferendum Expand That looks like it's from Viz. Clegg knew he would never be in the position to enact this, not true with Cameron. Blaming others is par for the course for you CT, but there is unanimous agreement this was an internal Tory issue which has now poisoned all of us. The EU was rarely in the top 5 of people's concerns before 2010, despite 40 years of smears from the right wing media. Edited December 5, 2018 by Renton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 5576 Posted December 5, 2018 Author Share Posted December 5, 2018 On 05/12/2018 at 10:40, Renton said: That looks like it's from Viz. Clegg knew he would never be in the position to enact this, not true with Cameron. Blaming others is par for the course for you CT, but there is unanimous agreement this was an internal Tory issue which has now poisoned all of us. The EU was rarely in the top 5 of people's concerns before 2010, despite 40 years of smears from the right wing media. Expand Try and re-write history as much as you like if it makes you feel better. All political parties promised the public a referendum from the early 2000’s onwards. At least Cameron eventually put it in his manifesto and was elected on it. He then put it to Parliament and virtually every member voted for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 24784 Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 On 05/12/2018 at 10:59, Christmas Tree said: Try and re-write history as much as you like if it makes you feel better. All political parties promised the public a referendum from the early 2000’s onwards. At least Cameron eventually put it in his manifesto and was elected on it. He then put it to Parliament and virtually every member voted for it. Expand So only Cameron put an in out referendum in a manifesto, i.e. made a real commitment? Glad we've got that sorted. This has always been a Tory issue ffs. Remember Thatcher, remember Mayor and the bastards? There's an excellent podcast series on it called "Brexit, a love story?" on the BBC which details the issues from all party perspectives. Give it a listen and come back to me about who is rewriting history. Or just stay deluded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 19980 Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 http://labourmanifesto.com/2001/2001-labour-manifesto.shtml @Christmas Tree can you point out where taking the Euro as currency is mentioned in Labours 2001 manifesto? Take your time mate, no dramas... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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