Europe --- In or Out

[Kevin Carr's Gloves 4949]

If one side is saying it’s raining and the say it isn’t. The bbc aren’t supposed to just tell us the arguments they are supposed to stick their head out of the window to see who’s right.

[Dr Gloom 26353]

36 minutes ago, ewerk said:

I had a look through her tweets this morning and it appears that her job is to be an uncritical mouthpiece for the Tory government.

Show me that I’m wrong.

Right, so I agree about that. But it’s what she doesn’t do that’s the problem. She delivers the soundbites Johnson and his cronies drip feed her without enough scrutiny. It would be even worse if she was telling us how great she thought Johnson is. 

[Dr Gloom 26353]

33 minutes ago, Kevin Carr's Gloves said:

If one side is saying it’s raining and the say it isn’t. The bbc aren’t supposed to just tell us the arguments they are supposed to stick their head out of the window to see who’s right.

A BBC reporter’s job is to record the salient facts and quotes, present them and provide analysis, not to offer opinion. 

[Dr Gloom 26353]

(I’m not saying LK does this well) 

[ewerk 39231]

She does not.

[Rayvin 8361]

I mean even without the BBC being servile, the opposition prefer to go to war with themselves anyway. We're going nowhere other than Tory for a few good years.

 

We need a new Blair desperately.

[Renton 27781]

11 hours ago, Dr Gloom said:

A BBC reporter’s job is to record the salient facts and quotes, present them and provide analysis, not to offer opinion. 

 

So is it her job to remind us about what Johnson has said about trade with the US previously, yes or no? To expose his lies and hypocrisy (without further comment), yes or no? 

Edited September 23, 2021 by Renton

[ewerk 39231]

No, it’s Gary Gibbon’s job.

 

[Dr Gloom 26353]

4 minutes ago, Renton said:

 

So is it her job to remind us about what Johnson has said about trade with the US previously, yes or no? To expose his lies and hypocrisy (without further comment), yes or no? 

yes, of course she should be doing those things

[Isegrim 11894]

 

[ewerk 39231]

This is normal.

 

[Dr Gloom 26353]

business as usual 

[Dr Gloom 26353]

sunlit uplands etc 

 

[Isegrim 11894]

Business as usual

[Dr Gloom 26353]

i'm so glad we took back control 

[Isegrim 11894]

 

[Alex 42149]

Good of them to acknowledge that though. Just don’t admit why 

[Isegrim 11894]

Huh? He is correct that there has been an increasing shortage if drivers here in Germany, too. But to say it’s worse than in the UK is bonkers.

[Isegrim 11894]

 

[Alex 42149]

Think I’ll get myself to the ‘sweet shop’ near Fist’s place tonight. Cheers for the reminder 

[Kid Dynamite 9340]

Is now the time for Labour to throw their weight behind a "Rejoin" campaign. They talked themselves in circles before the referendum trying not to piss off the working class leave vote, but that ship has long since sailed.

 

It was a 52/48 vote when half the country thought we were skipping into uplit sunlands with £350mil going towards the NHS every week and some of the easiest trade deals in history. 
 

Now that utility bills have gone through the roof, we've got no food on shop shelves, no petrol to put in our cars and we know the whole thing was sold on a lie...a 2nd referendum would surely be a landslide to rejoin? 

[Renton 27781]

6 minutes ago, Kid Dynamite said:

Is now the time for Labour to throw their weight behind a "Rejoin" campaign. They talked themselves in circles before the referendum trying not to piss off the working class leave vote, but that ship has long since sailed.

 

It was a 52/48 vote when half the country thought we were skipping into uplit sunlands with £350mil going towards the NHS every week and some of the easiest trade deals in history. 
 

Now that utility bills have gone through the roof, we've got no food on shop shelves, no petrol to put in our cars and we know the whole thing was sold on a lie...a 2nd referendum would surely be a landslide to rejoin? 

 

I don't think a fully fledged referendum or rejoin campaign is the right answer, its just too toxic. But there should be a move to much closer trading ties (starting with regulatory alignment) and a move to fully join the EEA within 5 years (not the CU though). It will mean getting FoM back but only the fruit loops can be against this now. It would solve virtually all issues in NI and Dover. Also Scotland when they get independence and rejoin. It's also what Farage, Hannan, etc previously promised. I think Labour need to have this in their manifesto.  As for joining the EU, honestly, I don't think they'd have us back. I am almost certain France would veto it. Most EU countries have benefited from Brexit and will continue to do so whilst we don't even bother enforcing our borders to goods. 

[Isegrim 11894]

I don’t think any country has benefited. There would also be little resistance  bar some posturing against the UK to rejoin, but it would have to be without rebates this time.

[Renton 27781]

1 minute ago, Isegrim said:

I don’t think any country has benefited. There would also be little resistance  bar some posturing against the UK to rejoin, but it would have to be without rebates this time.

 

Nobody's benefited from the sheer waste of energy from the protracted negotiations leading to the shite deal we got. And the EU has lost our subs money, but that's quite trivial (and you're getting a 38 billion euro lump sum!). But EU countries can currently export to the UK unhindered without this being reciprocated. So your export market is unhindered, and you import less from us so can switch to EU suppliers which is a net benefit. Also there has been a flow of financial jobs to the EU. But most importantly, from the EU's perspective, I don't know why you would want such a difficult partner to part of the union, we most certainly held it back and will continue to do so, I will never forget the embarrassment of those UKIP MEPs on the last sitting they were in. It just makes much more sense for us to be in a close economic relationship but be divorced politically. Those clearly aren't independent of each other of course and we also need to be in a security partnership. 

[Dr Gloom 26353]

1 hour ago, Isegrim said:

I don’t think any country has benefited. There would also be little resistance  bar some posturing against the UK to rejoin, but it would have to be without rebates this time.

the great irony of all of this: we literally had the best deal of any member state