ewerk 26390 Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 This is worrying. How many of the old codgers can we expect to still be awake at 3.30am? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17791 Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 18 minutes ago, Rayvin said: It is apparently 'tyranny' for the Lords to fast track Cooper. It'll be highly ironic if the undemocratically selected Lords filibuster this to death or actually block it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17791 Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 Should pass easily according to Grauniad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 Indeed but why then are the Tories trying to stop it. Do they really think they can just be awkward over and over again until eventually the Remain side gives up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 14055 Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 More good work by the unofficial opposition 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17791 Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 Hope that gets to 1000,000 likes on twitter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 Downing Street ready to countenance PV2 according to the Guardian... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17791 Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 41 minutes ago, Rayvin said: Downing Street ready to countenance PV2 according to the Guardian... Please make this true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 Sounds like it might be put to a vote though... although I guess if that was attached to TM's deal that might be enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17791 Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 Mark Francois has received the news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 (edited) Feels like we might be at a turning point here but let's make sure it isn't a false dawn before celebrating I guess. So currently we're hopefully maybe looking at Chequers going through with a referendum nailed onto it - presumably Remain vs May although I fucking hope Corbyn gets that in writing - and a request to the EU for an extension of up to 1 year. We'll run the Euro elections - all of us should get the fuck out to vote for that to make sure we're delivering competent MEPs - and then we can hopefully consign Brexit to history. UKIP will get a surge in support but not enough to actually make a difference. Should mostly come from the Tories who might actually fracture over this... possibly anyway. Hard to imagine the arch Brexiters will think they'll get another crack at this within the Tory party. Edited April 4, 2019 by Rayvin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 14055 Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 UKIP would be defending a high watermark in any theoretical European elections - they were the biggest party last time round. Would be interesting to see how that pans out this time. Not that I believe for a moment it'll come to that, obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 The only thing that concerns me about that election is that Sargon of Akkad will be running for them... This is not something I want to see. Mainstreaming of the stupid internet culture war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17791 Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 Most people know UKip are batshit and Ferange is orphaned. I am not now, nor ever have been, concerned about these cunts as a political force. Rabble rousers tbh. I have thought of the Remain slogan already. "If you want this to go away, vote Remain". Okay so maybe someone can tidy that up a bit but fuck me is that a winning message. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 14055 Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 Outstanding trolling. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17791 Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 (edited) Outstanding. Charles Moore having a meltdown before the first question is even asked on QT. Jeremy Wright boring everbody shitless. Its in London though so low gammon count. Some right knackers in the audience still mind. Edited April 4, 2019 by Renton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isegrim 8871 Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 3 minutes ago, Renton said: Outstanding. Charles Moore having a meltdown before the first question is even asked on QT. Jeremy Wright boring everbody shitless. Its in London though so low gammon count. Some right knackers in the audience still mind. I turned it off straight after he was the latest person today to be able to falsely cite the findings of the yougov poll about no deal. I don’t give those people the benefit of the doubt in just quoting from hearsay but think they are well aware of their outright lies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 34503 Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 I don't think this offer May is supposedly going to make to Corbyn is a good thing. I'm not sure a second referendum gets a commons majority, so this just becomes MV4. He should be telling her that the PV is first name on the team sheet, and it's non negotiable. Unfortunately he doesn't want one either so he'll be happy to go along with the stitch up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17791 Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 2 hours ago, Gemmill said: I don't think this offer May is supposedly going to make to Corbyn is a good thing. I'm not sure a second referendum gets a commons majority, so this just becomes MV4. He should be telling her that the PV is first name on the team sheet, and it's non negotiable. Unfortunately he doesn't want one either so he'll be happy to go along with the stitch up. Agreed, but surely he can't go along with a stitch up unilaterally, he will need to get the PLP on board (also remember 95% of labour members support a PV). I was hoping the PV would be attached to May's deal, so that if it goes through we vote May vs. Remain. If its a separate vote and whipped, its useless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 I figured it would be attached to her vote since neither is getting through on their own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 So we're getting up to one year extension that can be terminated at any time if we pass the WA. I get that the EU is trying to remain flexible but its certainty that we need. I feel that they should have insisted on just a solid year come what may. Anyway that's no deal off the table assuming Tusk can get it through the EU. Now we will see what the plan is at May's side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isegrim 8871 Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 I wonder if the date of June 30th was agreed by Corbin, which would be a betrayal to his party and voters or if May did it on her own which would be a betrayal to the invitation to settle things in an orderly cross party dialogue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 3 minutes ago, Isegrim said: I wonder if the date of June 30th was agreed by Corbin, which would be a betrayal to his party and voters or if May did it on her own which would be a betrayal to the invitation to settle things in an orderly cross party dialogue. The Guardian seems to think that she has privately accepted a year long extension, but can't be seen to go willingly. They feel the expectation is the EU will refuse (almost certain IMO since it's too close to the EU elections). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26390 Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 5 minutes ago, Rayvin said: The Guardian seems to think that she has privately accepted a year long extension, but can't be seen to go willingly. They feel the expectation is the EU will refuse (almost certain IMO since it's too close to the EU elections). She’s a glutton for defeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 JRM is now proposing that if we're staying for a year, we be total dickheads to the EU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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