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2 hours ago, Rayvin said:

Are we really going to settle on a customs union...

I'm bored if saying it but without being the SM it is pointless. And you are either in the SM or not, none of this unicorn alignment stuff Labour has come up with. Why do both Corbyn and May hate Europeans so much that they insist on ending FOM? It's not like there is mandate for it. If you assume the 48% weren't fussed it's hard to imagine more than 90% ot the 52% were insistent on it. Madness. 

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Agreed.

 

Sounds like it's about to kick off though - Mark Francois is tabling a vote of no confidence in May. 80 Tories behind it. They're getting around the 'once every 12 months' bit by calling it an indicative vote of no confidence...

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31 minutes ago, Renton said:

I'm bored if saying it but without being the SM it is pointless. And you are either in the SM or not, none of this unicorn alignment stuff Labour has come up with. Why do both Corbyn and May hate Europeans so much that they insist on ending FOM? It's not like there is mandate for it. If you assume the 48% weren't fussed it's hard to imagine more than 90% ot the 52% were insistent on it. Madness. 

He's taking the migrants suppress wages and stretch resources line. Of course its bollocks but unfortunately a shit load of people - mainly in northern Labour areas - believe it to be true so its pandering. 

 

 

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Looking like a long extension? 31st December latest date cited. Which will slowly kill our industry, rather than quickly kill it. And how anybody can seriously think we have the leadership needed to thrive outside the EU after we leave is beyond my imagination. 

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23 minutes ago, Renton said:

Looking like a long extension? 31st December latest date cited. Which will slowly kill our industry, rather than quickly kill it. And how anybody can seriously think we have the leadership needed to thrive outside the EU after we leave is beyond my imagination. 

 

Is that enough time for PV2?

 

Hammond looks like he's desperate to come out for it.

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16 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

 

Is that enough time for PV2?

 

Hammond looks like he's desperate to come out for it.

 

I think a referendum is normally 8 months so yes, just. Sure it could be expedited if need be. It's just getting so boring now. Assuming we leave, whatever the WA deal or No Deal, this will go on for decades. People should vote Remain just so we can do something more productive if nothing else. It's obvious we don't have politicians competent enough to effect positive change. 

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2 minutes ago, Renton said:

 

I think a referendum is normally 8 months so yes, just. Sure it could be expedited if need be. It's just getting so boring now. Assuming we leave, whatever the WA deal or No Deal, this will go on for decades. People should vote Remain just so we can do something more productive if nothing else. It's obvious we don't have politicians competent enough to effect positive change. 

 

That should be a slogan for Remain actually. Something like "look, even if you voted leave, look at the people we have to deliver it. Come on man, it's not gonna be good. It's not your fault they're useless, it's not our fault, but let's just forget it and move on, eh?"

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Francois has been getting up to some mad shit this afternoon at this Bruges Group meeting. Worth a scour of twitter. Reading out Tennyson poems to a room full of raging pensioners. 

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27 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

 

That should be a slogan for Remain actually. Something like "look, even if you voted leave, look at the people we have to deliver it. Come on man, it's not gonna be good. It's not your fault they're useless, it's not our fault, but let's just forget it and move on, eh?"

 

Catchy

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6 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

Francois has been getting up to some mad shit this afternoon at this Bruges Group meeting. Worth a scour of twitter. Reading out Tennyson poems to a room full of raging pensioners. 

 

 

Just normal people saying and doing normal things

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5 minutes ago, Meenzer said:

 

 

Just normal people saying and doing normal things

 

Can you even get  5 star Michelin star restaurant? And aren't Michelin stars a foreign thing? 

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These people have to be trolling. Francois openly claiming we are Perfidious Albion and being proud of it. JRM openly saying the next leader of the Conservatives will simply break any international obligations it sees fit. What the actual fuck has happened to this country? 

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The Tories have allowed, via incompetence and a leadership vacuum that has spanned a decade, the extreme fringes of society to come to the fore with credibility. I include Corbyn in this to a degree as a consequence in the same way as the ERG.

 

They have credibility because what we have from the 'establishment' is an utter shambles.

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