Craig 7995 Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 On 22/04/2025 at 19:45, Rayvin said: What about the actual lack of safety that trans women will now face in men's bathrooms, as opposed to the fictional lack of safety that cis-women had in theirs? Expand Seems like you have a very polarised view of this. There's genuine safety concerns in both scenarios which is why this is an absolute mess and not at all straight forward. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 46995 Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 I’d be interested to see how quickly I could get in the news if I started a “ Make All Toilets Unisex” campaign from scratch on social media. I’d give myself two weeks. But I won’t, because I can’t be arsed. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 34860 Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 On 23/04/2025 at 07:40, Craig said: Seems like you have a very polarised view of this. There's genuine safety concerns in both scenarios which is why this is an absolute mess and not at all straight forward. Expand What are the 'genuine' safety concerns? I've looked it up and the data shows absolutely zero evidence of an increased likelihood of a cis woman being assaulted by a trans-woman in a shared setting. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 53796 Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 On 23/04/2025 at 07:52, ewerk said: What are the 'genuine' safety concerns? I've looked it up and the data shows absolutely zero evidence of an increased likelihood of a cis woman being assaulted by a trans-woman in a shared setting. Expand I don't doubt thtle truth of what you say at all. But there can't be much data on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 53796 Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 A noted intervention on probability from an xG denier btw. Interesting.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 34860 Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 On 23/04/2025 at 07:53, Gemmill said: I don't doubt thtle truth of what you say at all. But there can't be much data on it. Expand It's done by comparing areas where trans-women are allowed in the likes of public bathrooms and those where they aren't. There aren't figures released reporting assaults by trans-gender status AFAIA. https://escholarship.org/content/qt4rs4n6h0/qt4rs4n6h0.pdf But surely the onus to provide evidence has to be by those claiming there's a risk? On 23/04/2025 at 07:54, Gemmill said: A noted intervention on probability from an xG denier btw. Interesting.... Expand I hope you aren't referring to me because if you are then you'll be hearing from my lawyer very shortly with a cease and desist notice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 53796 Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 I assumed you'd been standing in women's bogs, clipboard in hand, trousers round ankles. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzler 12991 Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 On 23/04/2025 at 07:29, ewerk said: Now sure seems like a good time to publish a league table of which nationality is doing the most raping. Expand Aye fucking great idea. Next thing you know fish will have charts showing xR by forrins that only he can decipher. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 7995 Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 On 23/04/2025 at 07:53, Gemmill said: I don't doubt thtle truth of what you say at all. But there can't be much data on it. Expand Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonatine 12500 Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 On 22/04/2025 at 21:14, Meenzer said: I mean... Expand So, i'm guessing they're ok with the 3 in 4 sex crimes being committed by British Nationals? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4778 Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 As I sort of said above I think they almost need to move on from the "What is a woman? " question to "What is a transexual?" as it seems to me that nearly everyone involved seems to think or imply that all trans women are pre-ops with penises. I still don't think it's right to force post-ops to use mens facilities or vice versa though I think there are a lot fewer trans men. I can't help feeling there'll be no sympathy if/when a trans woman is assaulted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 46995 Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 Genuine question- a post-op trans man, can they pee out of it? Also, I’d say that grasping the Etiquette of Urinal Use and Placement of Self Therein would be much harder for a trans man than which cubicle to use for a trans woman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holden McGroin 8192 Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 (edited) Mr Mrs (NHS nurse and used to work in female shelter) and elder child had a big, heated argument around this topic last week. This then went slightly off piste but the Mrs was suggesting as a health professional it’s gone a bit too far (she has to use the word “chest feeding” now rather than breast feeding). She also needs to know when treating someone what their original gender is. The female shelter came up as well, with most the women in there being traumatised from males. its a tricky topic to be sure. Edited April 23 by Holden McGroin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 24513 Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 On 22/04/2025 at 17:02, Rayvin said: He can't hide behind them Expand i think he plans on doing exactly that tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzler 12991 Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 On 23/04/2025 at 09:41, Holden McGroin said: Mr Mrs (NHS nurse and used to work in female shelter) and elder child had a big, heated argument around this topic last week. This then went slightly off piste but the Mrs was suggesting as a health professional it’s gone a bit too far (she has to use the word “chest feeding” now rather than breast feeding). She also needs to know when treating someone what their original gender is. The female shelter came up as well, with most the women in there being traumatised from males. its a tricky topic to be sure. Expand Mr Mrs is an absolutely perfect typo for this conversation tbf 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 53796 Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 Why is breast feeding now chest feeding? There's no food coming out of chests unless we're talking about the prime fillet steak that is my pecs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 7995 Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 On 23/04/2025 at 09:31, Monkeys Fist said: Genuine question- a post-op trans man, can they pee out of it? Expand First chapter of my sister's book goes in to waaaaaaaay too much detail about 'plumbing realignment' for the inverse so I would guess so. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzler 12991 Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 On 23/04/2025 at 10:15, Gemmill said: Why is breast feeding now chest feeding? There's no food coming out of chests unless we're talking about the prime fillet steak that is my pecs. Expand Because the mentalists on one side got one over on the mentalists on the other side who don’t want trans people to be able to have a shite anywhere. Crying that it must be called ”Chest feeding” is the same as JK Rowling feeling uncomfortable a women with bollocks is coiling one out in the trap next door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzler 12991 Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 On 23/04/2025 at 09:31, Monkeys Fist said: Genuine question- a post-op trans man, can they pee out of it? Also, I’d say that grasping the Etiquette of Urinal Use and Placement of Self Therein would be much harder for a trans man than which cubicle to use for a trans woman. Expand I watched a documentary about a trans man transitioning including seeing the operation (which was grim) so feel suitably qualified to answer this one. Aye, they can. They also tend to get an above average todger to piss out of and one of their fake bollocks is a pump that gets them rock hard without the need for any effort or pills. So in short, they are better than us - both emotionally and most likely sexually since they can go like the clappers without needing a half hour recharge after 2-3 minutes - but we’d at least be able to chin them in a white collar boxing match (for the most part). 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4778 Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 On 23/04/2025 at 10:43, Dazzler said: I watched a documentary about a trans man transitioning including seeing the operation (which was grim) so feel suitably qualified to answer this one. Aye, they can. They also tend to get an above average todger to piss out of and one of their fake bollocks is a pump that gets them rock hard without the need for any effort or pills. So in short, they are better than us - both emotionally and most likely sexually since they can go like the clappers without needing a half hour recharge after 2-3 minutes - but we’d at least be able to chin them in a white collar boxing match (for the most part). Expand Please send that to the Guardian... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinRobin 13124 Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 On 23/04/2025 at 10:43, Dazzler said: I watched a documentary about a trans man transitioning including seeing the operation (which was grim) so feel suitably qualified to answer this one. Aye, they can. They also tend to get an above average todger to piss out of and one of their fake bollocks is a pump that gets them rock hard without the need for any effort or pills. So in short, they are better than us - both emotionally and most likely sexually since they can go like the clappers without needing a half hour recharge after 2-3 minutes - but we’d at least be able to chin them in a white collar boxing match (for the most part). Expand We usually rely on @Monkeys Fist for that sort of erudite social commentary. 🙂 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 46995 Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 I happily defer to Mr Mrs D. when it comes to fake penis knowledge 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzler 12991 Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 On 23/04/2025 at 11:40, Monkeys Fist said: I happily defer to Mr Mrs D. when it comes to fake penis knowledge Expand Real penis you fucking bigot. The bollocks are fake. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 46995 Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 On 23/04/2025 at 11:43, Dazzler said: Real penis you fucking bigot. The bollocks are fake. Expand 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 6689 Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 On 23/04/2025 at 07:40, Craig said: Seems like you have a very polarised view of this. There's genuine safety concerns in both scenarios which is why this is an absolute mess and not at all straight forward. Expand I have a view that is entirely open to change on the basis of actual evidence. That's my default position on everything, and it should be yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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