Rayvin 6479 Posted yesterday at 10:59 Share Posted yesterday at 10:59 1 minute ago, PaddockLad said: Labour need to worry the shit out of those who voted for them last time rather than Tory or Lib Dem about his links with Trumps and his stated ambition to abolish the NHS. Probably enough for a vastly reduced majority. Carney in Canada shows the effect of a galvanising enemy. How the fuck with anyone over 40 with a pre existing condition get adequate and affordable health cover even through their employers is the first question I’d start asking. That should kill him dead outside of his base… This is a fair point mind - do we need Labour to start acknowledging Reform as the opposition so they can gun for Farage more directly? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 19729 Posted yesterday at 11:05 Share Posted yesterday at 11:05 3 minutes ago, Rayvin said: This is a fair point mind - do we need Labour to start acknowledging Reform as the opposition so they can gun for Farage more directly? Populism is rife all over the planet in many mature democracies. It’s really not going away. Farage is smart as fuck, as an operator and communicator he’s one dimensionally brilliant ie “scare the easily led” . You can now only take that on with more of the same… 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 6479 Posted yesterday at 11:14 Share Posted yesterday at 11:14 You mean like left wing populism? Or I suppose in Starmer's case it would be sort of like... populism of competence 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 5383 Posted yesterday at 11:20 Author Share Posted yesterday at 11:20 All Gordon Browns fault getting rid of the good old days of boom and bust. At least we had something to look forward to. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 6479 Posted yesterday at 11:21 Share Posted yesterday at 11:21 1 minute ago, Christmas Tree said: All Gordon Browns fault getting rid of the good old days of boom and bust. At least we had something to look forward to. We've nailed the bust part at least. All time world champions at this point IMO. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 24526 Posted yesterday at 11:44 Share Posted yesterday at 11:44 1 hour ago, Rayvin said: I broadly agree with a lot of this although it's a bit of a hail mary for Labour to go 'we'll look competent and then hope the economic situation improves' as their strategy for retaining power. I'd prefer them to have a bit more about them than that. We need a longer term pivot away from the culture war. Agreed. For the life of me, I just don't get how the right have made the culture war an important issue. Who the fuck cares about it from a political pov? The only thing that matters to me is economics in its broader sense including provision of public serves, taxation, and addressing wealth inequality. And add a few foreign affairs into the pot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 24526 Posted yesterday at 11:48 Share Posted yesterday at 11:48 45 minutes ago, Rayvin said: This is a fair point mind - do we need Labour to start acknowledging Reform as the opposition so they can gun for Farage more directly? It's a spot on point. I think tactically Labour wait it out. There is a long, long time before the GE, who knows what will happen by then. The US will have an election first for one thing (2 with the mid terms). Reform and the Tories might unite. If they go with Farage, there is plenty of ammunition from what he's said and done in the past to throw at him. I genuinely believe he is not electable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 24526 Posted yesterday at 11:52 Share Posted yesterday at 11:52 43 minutes ago, PaddockLad said: Populism is rife all over the planet in many mature democracies. It’s really not going away. Farage is smart as fuck, as an operator and communicator he’s one dimensionally brilliant ie “scare the easily led” . You can now only take that on with more of the same… I dunno. Plenty of examples where popularism has been over turned without resorting to combating fire with fire. Look at Canada. We've got to resist the descent into a post truth world otherwise what's the point? Policy needs to be evidenced based. Those countries that adopt this perspective will inevitably be more successful imo. Conversely, the US is about to demonstrate how damaging political incompetence and corruption is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayatollah Hermione 15130 Posted yesterday at 11:53 Share Posted yesterday at 11:53 Mate, the Americans elected Donald Trump twice. Farage absolutely is electable to the Great British public. We can pretend that us and the Americans think differently but the vast majority of fuckwits do not. I had to tell people at work yesterday, who went out to vote Reform, that they were only local elections and not a general one ffs. These people will go out in force when the election rolls around and vote for Reform whenever Farage tells them to. They believe him and he has the media in his hands. It’s fucking dangerous and people need to realise. He’s practically fucking Teflon 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 34278 Posted yesterday at 12:04 Share Posted yesterday at 12:04 Darren Grimes has finally won elected office! Reform took both seats in Annfield Plain & Tanfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 52693 Posted yesterday at 12:11 Share Posted yesterday at 12:11 Looks like Reform are about to take over Durham County Council. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 24526 Posted yesterday at 12:16 Share Posted yesterday at 12:16 14 minutes ago, Ayatollah Hermione said: Mate, the Americans elected Donald Trump twice. Farage absolutely is electable to the Great British public. We can pretend that us and the Americans think differently but the vast majority of fuckwits do not. I had to tell people at work yesterday, who went out to vote Reform, that they were only local elections and not a general one ffs. These people will go out in force when the election rolls around and vote for Reform whenever Farage tells them to. They believe him and he has the media in his hands. It’s fucking dangerous and people need to realise. He’s practically fucking Teflon How does he have the media in his hands? What is the viewership of GB news? We are not in the same situation as the states. He's been off the hook so far because he's not been seen as a genuine threat, more a curiosity. Labour have been happy to let him eat the Tories, which is where the large majority of his support come from. Natural right wingers. But Farage is inexorably linked to Trump and is on record as saying he wants to scrap the NHS. People might not know this yet, but they will. And you are completely underestimating the SHEER incompetence of Reform representatives and their capacity for self destruction. This isn't wishful thinking on my behalf, I just can't see any scenario where a party led by Farage can achieve a majority. He is blatantly not in. Most people's interests. It ain't happening and a by election result and a few council seats aren't stopping that. But at the moment, its as pointless trying to predict 4 years in advance in poliltics as it isti predict what position NUFC will be in then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 52693 Posted yesterday at 12:19 Share Posted yesterday at 12:19 2 minutes ago, Renton said: SHEER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzler 12682 Posted yesterday at 12:26 Share Posted yesterday at 12:26 1 hour ago, Rayvin said: We've nailed the bust part at least. All time world champions at this point IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 34278 Posted 23 hours ago Share Posted 23 hours ago 34 minutes ago, Dazzler said: MFYP 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonatine 12304 Posted 23 hours ago Share Posted 23 hours ago 54 minutes ago, Gemmill said: Looks like Reform are about to take over Durham County Council. No great surprise tbh. Once you get outside of the city itself it's like going back to the 70's in a lot of the areas, and Labour has been on the slide here in the local elections for quite a while. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzler 12682 Posted 23 hours ago Share Posted 23 hours ago 7 minutes ago, ewerk said: MFYP What are the names of these harlots? I want to be sure I don't stumble upon them by accident whilst searching for bible verses later. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7938 Posted 18 hours ago Share Posted 18 hours ago The local election results make for miserable reading. We might be banking on the Lib Dem's being the alternative vote at the next GE at this rate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holden McGroin 8037 Posted 18 hours ago Share Posted 18 hours ago 25 minutes ago, Kid Dynamite said: The local election results make for miserable reading. We might be banking on the Lib Dem's being the alternative vote at the next GE at this rate. Aye. We are going to have a Reform Gov unless Labour turns this around. The Tories won’t be in the race by then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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PaddockLad 19729 Posted 15 hours ago Share Posted 15 hours ago 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 52693 Posted 14 hours ago Share Posted 14 hours ago Sounds like we might need to launch the Penis Party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strawb 4756 Posted 13 hours ago Share Posted 13 hours ago 1 hour ago, PaddockLad said: Bet they are the only cunts who are on bbc for the next few weeks 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 24526 Posted 5 hours ago Share Posted 5 hours ago 7 hours ago, strawb said: Bet they are the only cunts who are on bbc for the next few weeks I hope so. Cos the average Reform member is not as silver tongued as Farage. Inteview them and you expose them. A collection of cranks and fruitcakes who have no policies other than sticking it to the foreigners. And immigration isn't even a council competency. Let's see how county Durham council fares over the next 4 years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 24526 Posted 5 hours ago Share Posted 5 hours ago And btw, as for Reforms 600 odd seats, you have to take into account where they are, nowhere places and towns full to the brim of disaffected people and pensioners. None of the metropolitan councils voted on Thursday, nor Scotland or London. These places won't return reform. Also, little has been said about turnout or as pointed out, spoilt ballots. BTW, why do people draw penises? What's wrong with a pair of tits and a fanny? Maybe Reform can look into it and make a policy statement. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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