Politics

[Holden McGroin 8188]

4 hours ago, Rayvin said:

Why have Labour got it into their heads that they need to eat into the right wing working class? From what I can see on the polling data, it's the Tories who should be panicking about Farage, not Labour. I appreciate that if Farage manages to unite all the orcs under one banner then he will be fairly formidable, but he is never going to completely manage to take all Tories with him, which means he will always be hamstrung to an extent.

 

Labour on the other hand are losing voters to their left, presumably expecting that they'll all come flooding back to prevent Farage taking over. Which may be true to a degree, but not entirely.

 

Or am I wrong, and Labour actually are losing more voters to Farage than they are to this shift to the right?

I don’t know where the Labour voters are going and it’s a long way away anyway. My Mrs reckons she’ll have a look at Lib Dems after saying she’ll “never vote for Labour again”

 

 

Edited yesterday at 16:34 by Holden McGroin

[Dazzler 12987]

32 minutes ago, Holden McGroin said:

I don’t know where you the Labour voters are going and it’s a long time way away anyway. My Mrs reckons she’ll have a look at Lib Dems after saying she’ll “never vote for Labour again”

 

 

Lib Dems is where my head was at during the general election. I voted labour strategically and in the hope that they were playing their cards close to their chest.

 

I don't think I am quite in the never again camp, like your missus is, but I don't think I'll vote for labour so long as Starmer is leading them. 

[spongebob toonpants 4600]

No surprise but Labour has lost me completely. I can't see my loathing for Starmer abating any time soon

[Rayvin 6680]

Here's the thing though, if it's Starmer or Farage when the time comes, will your collective nerves hold?

[Monkeys Fist 46989]

If it was straight choice between Farage and a piece of undigested sweetcorn in a lump of shite, the sweetcorn is winning. 

[Gemmill 53763]

 

 would almost be worth Farage winning to see him immediately pull out an even worse budget than Truss and have to resign within 3 months for tanking the economy. 

 

[Rayvin 6680]

I mean that looks left wing as fuck tbh. If he's going to blow up the country with uncosted left wing ideas, I'm here for it.

[Renton 24802]

Funnily enough, I'm not all that sanguine about giving an extreme right winger the ability to sack me on day one, destroy the economy, and ruin my kids prospects, just for the shits and giggles of it. Very dangerous path we are on and yes, I am ashamed to admit Labour are fucking it up big time. We shouldn't be here.

[Rayvin 6680]

18 minutes ago, Renton said:

Funnily enough, I'm not all that sanguine about giving an extreme right winger the ability to sack me on day one, destroy the economy, and ruin my kids prospects, just for the shits and giggles of it. Very dangerous path we are on and yes, I am ashamed to admit Labour are fucking it up big time. We shouldn't be here.

 

Fair enough, I suppose I'm speaking from a position of not having a lot to lose at this point Honestly though the purpose of the comment was more to make clear to anyone who might be tempted to vote for him, that this particular policy is 'far left'.

[Gemmill 53763]

20 minutes ago, Renton said:

Funnily enough, I'm not all that sanguine about giving an extreme right winger the ability to sack me on day one, destroy the economy, and ruin my kids prospects, just for the shits and giggles of it. Very dangerous path we are on and yes, I am ashamed to admit Labour are fucking it up big time. We shouldn't be here.

 

Just to be clear, I WASN'T BEING SERIOUS. 

[wykikitoon 24225]

Just heard on't wireless that Farage wants shut of all DVI stuff. Gammons will be lapping this shit up. 

[Christmas Tree 5622]

23 minutes ago, wykikitoon said:

Just heard on't wireless that Farage wants shut of all DVI stuff. Gammons will be lapping this shit up. 

Whats DVI

[PaddockLad 20123]

4 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said:

Whats DVI

[Craig 7940]

13 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said:

Whats DVI

 

 

[wykikitoon 24225]

Diversity and inclusion. 

 

[Craig 7940]

3 minutes ago, wykikitoon said:

Diversity and inclusion. 

 

So what you actually meant was D&I or EDI (Equality, Diversity & Inclusion)? 
 

[PaddockLad 20123]

What I think you mean Gilles is DEI ie “divervsity equality and inclusion” Trump & Musk have gone for these policies (& jobs) in a big way and wiped most of it from US Federal government departments .
 

Farage has this morning said it costs uk taxpayers 7 billion a year. Not sure if anyone has bothered to do a journalism and check that and challenge the slavering fuckin wanker on that figure but there you go

Edited 13 hours ago by PaddockLad

[GrahamTaylor5 1250]

In all seriousness. What is it that Stramer has actually done that makes him worse to vote for than Reform and the Conservatives?

 

I am still in the mindset that a vote for the Lib Dems and Green Party are a waste of a vote, or even more cynical if you want don't want a Labour government, vote Conservative or if you don't want a Conservative government, vote Labour. 

 

I know he lacks any clear identity but, to me, he appears far more competent than everyone in my recent memory. 

[spongebob toonpants 4600]

He's not worse than the Conservatives, but at the moment can you honestly say that he's any better

What's his vision, what's the aim for the country, what does he stand for, how is he going to make the country better.

The only thing I can see that Labour is for at the moment is to get elected again

They're putting more kids into poverty

They've got the same magical thinking about Brexit as the last mob

They're completely ignoring their unique opportunity to tax wealth/profiteering corporation  and instead are making the poorest bear the heaviest burden

They have the majority to do what they want, again their Green industry plan was fantastic and could have revolutionised the countries future, completely forgotten

Their whole shtick is about pandering to Farage voters

 

Fuck Starmer

[spongebob toonpants 4600]

He's better than Truss and Johnson I'll give you that. It's not really enough though is it

[Renton 24802]

30 minutes ago, spongebob toonpants said:

He's better than Truss and Johnson I'll give you that. It's not really enough though is it

 

He's better than Farage. I was hoping for some stability, transparency and competence rather than some idealogical revolution that probably can't realistically happen in 2025. Increasingly it's looking like I have hoped for too much. 

Let's take winter fuel payments for instance. It was absolutely the right thing to do to scrap them imo, they're existence is not fair or logical. Poorer pensioners can be helped out in other ways. But now it looks like they are going to u turn for political reasons, and worse, they've done it in such a way it won't even help them.

 

Terrible comms, naive political instict, and no back bone will cost them and possibly let Farage in if we're not careful, who of course is offering the moon on a stick. Then we'll have something to complain about. The only saving grace is we're 4 years away still, anything can happen.

Edited 12 hours ago by Renton

[Dazzler 12987]

3 hours ago, wykikitoon said:

Just heard on't wireless that Farage wants shut of all DVI stuff. Gammons will be lapping this shit up. 

[wykikitoon 24225]

I saw a clip of (I think) Max and Paddy they go into a muslim shop with a pig.

 

The comments were 'Imagine that now, all the woke lot would be up in arms' etc.  Just comments from Gammons saying poor it is we can't have stuff like this on TV now.

I mean, how would they feel if Muslims did a 'comedy show' showing them slaughtering an old man who stormed the beaches at Normandy for the 'lols'

 

[PaddockLad 20123]

7 minutes ago, Renton said:

 

He's better than Farage. I was hoping for some stability, transparency and competence rather than some idealogical revolution that probably can't realistically happen in 2025. Increasingly it's looking like I have hoped for too much. 

Let's take winter fuel payments for instance. It was absolutely the right thing to do to scrap them imo, they're existence is not fair or logical. Poorer pensioners can be helped out in other ways. But now it looks like they are going to u turn for political reasons, and worse, they've done it in such a way it won't even help them.

 

Terrible comms, naive political instict, and no back bone will cost them and possibly let Farage in if we're not careful, who of course is offering the moon on a stick. Then we'll have something to complain about. The only saving grace is we're 4 years away still, anything can happen.

I can completely agree with all this but cutting the WFA was bad politics when you’ve gone nowhere near the tax haven that is the City of  London. Standing up to the bully boys in the media over something like that would’ve been better than having Nigel Farage stealing your policies and running your government less than a year after taking office..tbh if a group emerge that can persuade Burnham to stand at the next by election then Starmer is toast. That’s highly unlikely even if Burnham was willing so hopefully Starmer at best may be able to form a government with the Lib Dems in 2029. I can’t think of a single Labour cabinet member who could replace him, that’s the only thing keeping him there for the duration. 

[wykikitoon 24225]

Is it fair to see whatever political party is in, they're scared to go 'there' with taxing the rich?