ewerk 26347 Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 As I said, he did alright today. ewerk, why is soft Brexit impossible? If what we're all saying about how a rerun of the referendum would turn up a different result is true, surely soft-Brexit allows for the kind of compromise climb down from the brink that we could all get behind. Yes, it's effectively the same as remaining in the EU, but they could come up with all kinds of reasons about how this is actually still taking back control for the benefit of the pillocks. The pillocks won't accept anything other than controlled immigration. That means no tariff free single market access. That means no soft brexit. The whole thing is fucked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19825 Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 The pillocks won't accept anything other than controlled immigration. That means no tariff free single market access. That means no soft brexit. The whole thing is fucked. I still think it'll be some kind of fudged deal. Access to be single market, which we will have to pay for, plus an emergency brake on immigration if annual numbers get too high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26347 Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 Isn't that exactly what we had agreed before the vote? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17781 Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 The pillocks won't accept anything other than controlled immigration. That means no tariff free single market access. That means no soft brexit. The whole thing is fucked. But using that definition, the pillocks (how quaint) definitely form less than 50% of the electorate. So they can get fucked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19825 Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 (edited) @@ewerk That's what Cameron tried to agree. He ended up with a deal on inwork benefits for migrants, not controlling the actual EU migration number Edited November 16, 2016 by Dr Gloom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26347 Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 Ah yeah you're right. I still can't see it happening though. I'm not sure if the EU will be willing to allow us that concession as it weakens their hand in future negotiations with members plus I'm not sure it would go far enough to passify the rabid pillocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17781 Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 Idiocy will triumph. We're going hard Brexit and getting tariffs on our fish and chips exports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 (edited) Ah yeah you're right. I still can't see it happening though. I'm not sure if the EU will be willing to allow us that concession as it weakens their hand in future negotiations with members plus I'm not sure it would go far enough to passify the rabid pillocks. Rabid pillocks Also, what kind of fucked up spelling of pacify is that? Edited November 16, 2016 by Rayvin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 Passify Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26347 Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 I knew it looked odd as I was righting it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 Better than reminding you of Flava Flav I guess Anyone seen the Eric Andre show? Its fucking mental Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3205 Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 The labour party should be all over this now. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/dwp-gig-economy-damian-green-speech-holiday-minimum-wage-sick-pay-hours-a7421071.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 Yes, that's not an encouraging sign. Did you see the Guardian's bit about University lecturers effectively being hit with the same stuff? Working on part time temping contracts and having to do extra work around the side? It's a depressing sentiment. We seem to be oversubscribed with our workforce on multiple fronts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26347 Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 "We’ve seen the rise of the everyday entrepreneur. People now own their time and control who receives their services and when. “They can pick and mix their employers, their hours, their offices, their holiday patterns. This is one of the most significant developments in the labour market. The potential is huge and the change is exciting.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 That's certainly true for some people mind. My partner is self employed and runs it more or less exactly as he has set out. It works for her because she has enough work to be choosey, but obviously it would fall flat if that ran out. I wonder how many people make a success of it vis-a-vis those who struggle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26347 Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 (edited) Aye it might work for your 'partner' but it will lead to exploitation for the vast majority of people who aren't skilled enough to be properly self-employed. Edited November 17, 2016 by ewerk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3205 Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 If labour had any nous they would link this with brexit and loss of workers rights, then make a general election a one issue election. That would re align the working class vote. Unfortunately Corbyn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17781 Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 Aye, exactly what I was thinking. Post-Brexit companies will be able to do what the fuck they want, a Tory wet dream. Hugely depressing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 Aye, exactly what I was thinking. Post-Brexit companies will be able to do what the fuck they want, a Tory wet dream. Hugely depressing. True, it's certainly looks that way. Corbyn is making workers rights central to the Labour platform though. Obviously no one is reporting on it, but it is happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 One of his 10 pledges. We will give people stronger employment rights from day one in a job, end exploitative zero hours contracts and create new sectoral collective bargaining rights, including mandatory collective bargaining for companies with 250 or more employees. We will create new employment and trade union rights to bring security to the workplace and win better pay and conditions for everyone. We will strengthen working people’s representation at work and the ability of trade unions to organise so that working people have a real voice at work. And we will put the defence of social and employment rights, as well as action against undercutting of pay and conditions through the exploitation of migrant labour, at the centre of the Brexit negotiations agenda for a new relationship with Europe. I didn't even know he'd made 10 pledges until I searched for his platform off the back of Rayvin's post. He should have put them on a £50k granite slab. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 34464 Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 He should have them tattooed across his chest and back and do PMQs shirtless. Might actually force the press to report them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 14055 Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 He should have put them on a £50k granite slab. Creating jobs for British craftsmen, right there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26347 Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 And it was only £7k. Which is a bargain when you think of all the positive attention it attracted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 14055 Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 Well look who it is: http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2016/11/conditions-labours-previous-successes-are-falling-apart-where-do-we-go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anorthernsoul 1221 Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 So much for austerity eh? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38025513 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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