Renton 17781 Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 4 minutes ago, ewerk said: How is it represented within the EU institutions? It isn't exempt from most laws, it adopts 75% of EU laws. It has no voice in the EU parliament or Council of Ministers. Rayvin is entirely correct in saying that they have less sovereignty than we currently do. It adopts circa 25% of laws. We'd be leaving the political structures of the EU and ever closer union. No debate about joining the Euro,EU army, etc. I think it's a natural fit for us personally. I've never met a brexiter who can meaningfully say what loss of sovereignty has had a negative effect on them BTW. It's a red herring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26347 Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 8 minutes ago, Renton said: It adopts circa 25% of laws. We'd be leaving the political structures of the EU and ever closer union. No debate about joining the Euro,EU army, etc. I think it's a natural fit for us personally. I've never met a brexiter who can meaningfully say what loss of sovereignty has had a negative effect on them BTW. It's a red herring. 75% according to the Norwegian government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17781 Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 2 minutes ago, ewerk said: 75% according to the Norwegian government. Okay, I've read otherwise. None of these regulatory laws mean anything to most people, hence nobody can name one. Even bendy bananas (very good rationale for this as it happens) is WTO. We'd also be out of CAP and social chapter. FoM can be controlled if you really want to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Gemmill 34464 Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30414 Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 48 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said: Also Seen as its you, CT. I've being mean too ask what you fined so funny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26347 Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 (edited) All kicked off at PMQs. Rows and walkouts from the SNP after a few too many bottles of Bucky. Edited June 13, 2018 by ewerk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 14585 Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 (edited) Last night was a fuckin piss take tbf. 19 mins of debate on the devolution amendment and not one Scottish MP allowed to speak. This could be it for the SNP.... If I was still living up the road I think they'd get my vote now....this week has shown how little democracy we actually have in this country. Am just about fuckin finished with the lot of them... Edited June 13, 2018 by PaddockLad 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17781 Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 The sooner the Scots and Irish figure out that middle England couldn't give two shits about them the better. If I lived in Scotland I'd be wanting full independence now like. Problem is, how can it be achieved? The currency issue is critical. Could Scotland be fast tracked into the EU without Spain's objections? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26347 Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, Renton said: The sooner the Scots and Irish figure out that middle England couldn't give two shits about them the better. We've all been briefed on the matter. It's only the unionists who refuse to believe it. Edited June 13, 2018 by ewerk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 They're not going to get another vote until Brexit is well out of the way, probably in decades. Well, not unless we start seeing mass marches. Problem is, Scotland doesn't actually have that many people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3205 Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 3 minutes ago, Rayvin said: They're not going to get another vote until Brexit is well out of the way, probably in decades. Well, not unless we start seeing mass marches. Problem is, Scotland doesn't actually have that many people. It's funny you should say that https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-44005360 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 I think they might need hundreds of thousands though mate. I'd love to see Scotland leave since it would be a backdoor to Europe and tbh I would just move there anyway - but 10s of thousands won't do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 14585 Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 Think this could be a watershed though. Scotland should do a Catalonia and have their own ballot. The thing that's kept me from going all in with the Nats is their belief that somehow Scotland has been treated worse than any other western post industrial area. I don't think that's the case but you could point to Wales, Boro & Scunny still having a (privitised) steel industry and Scotland having nothing, there again they still build ships on the Clyde & in Fife. I was an apprentice when the poll tax was introduced a year before England and i suddenly had to find 300 quid a year, so did my brother,sister (apprentice & trainee) and mother (home help) The thing about that blatant cunts trick was the reaction in England the following year was the thing that got rid of it in Scotland & the UK as a whole. Back then there we had a lot more in common than what divided us. Not sure that's the case now, last night being the most glaring example. There's the currency question to overcome but if they resolve that there could be a similar situation to what NI is going through now; England out of the EU with a land border hard against EU member Scotland. Thing is anyone who knows anything about history knows that imposed hard borders are big fuckin trouble for all concerned. The only difference between the UK 2018 and the former Yugoslavia 1991 is ease of access to arms. We should be grateful for that small mercy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3205 Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 3 minutes ago, PaddockLad said: Think this could be a watershed though. Scotland should do a Catalonia and have their own ballot. The thing that's kept me from going all in with the Nats is their belief that somehow Scotland has been treated worse than any other western post industrial area. I don't think that's the case but you could point to Wales, Boro & Scunny still having a (privitised) steel industry and Scotland having nothing, there again they still build ships on the Clyde & in Fife. I was an apprentice when the poll tax was introduced a year before England and i suddenly had to find 300 quid a year, so did my brother,sister (apprentice & trainee) and mother (home help) The thing about that blatant cunts trick was the reaction in England the following year was the thing that got rid of it in Scotland & the UK as a whole. Back then there we had a lot more in common than what divided us. Not sure that's the case now, last night being the most glaring example. There's the currency question to overcome but if they resolve that there could be a similar situation to what NI is going through now; England out of the EU with a land border hard against EU member Scotland. Thing is anyone who knows anything about history knows that imposed hard borders are big fuckin trouble for all concerned. The only difference between the UK 2018 and the former Yugoslavia 1991 is ease of access to arms. We should be grateful for that small mercy. The thing most people seem to fail to understand is independence will see the end of the SNP more than likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3205 Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/politics/scottish-politics/670954/scottish-backlash-against-tory-power-grab-brings-5085-new-snp-members-in-24-hours/ If this is true then that will make the SNP membership at approx 123,000 about 1,000 less than that of the uk wide Tory party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26347 Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 Quote The £1.9bn Universal Credit system may end up costing more to administer than the benefits system it is replacing, according to the National Audit Office. Ministers will never know if their aim of putting 200,000 extra people in work, or saving £2.1bn in fraud and error, will work, the watchdog says. It adds some claimants waited eight months for payment amid the switch to UC, which rolls six benefits into one. But of course this government can develop and implement a high tech max fac system for the post-Brexit world in a matter of years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30414 Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 IDS strikes again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19825 Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 what kind of cunt blocks a new law to ban people taking photos up the skirts of unsuspecting women? something i'm surprised isn't already a crime tbh a cunt like Christopher Chope. his record in parliament is absolutely appalling. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Chope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 Surely he must have had a reason beyond "I don't feel like this should be illegal" I mean maybe he doesn't but I'm struggling to think how any serious politician could get away with such a view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26347 Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 I saw someone saying on twitter that something like this shouldn’t be taking up the time of the CPS. So maybe that’s his reasoning? Or maybe he’s just a massive pervert? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19825 Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 he obviously doesn't want to get nicked when he's out on his next upskirt jolly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonatine 9998 Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 He's one of those fellas you just need to take one look at and guess that he's a cunt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 3 minutes ago, Rayvin said: I'm struggling to think how any serious politician could get away with such a view. Something something patriarchy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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