Renton 17837 Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 Renton man, there's people out there pulling in £150 plus a week on tax credits. So, I've just checked and this is essentially true. But only if you have 3+ kids and are on a full time low wage. So even with the credits you're going to be earning way less than average with the expense of having to raise three kids. I just can't see how luxury cars, ps4s, foreign holidays etc are possible in this scenario? Are these the families I'm supposed to resent and be jealous of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 3997 Posted December 9, 2013 Author Share Posted December 9, 2013 My last word on poverty. From tonight's Hindu times. despite rising above the poverty line, millions of Indians continue to lack access to safe water, sanitation, housing, nutrition, health and education. No fucking comparison to Britains 13 million in poverty. Good night fuckers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 38847 Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 Remove the first two, and you describe a fair number of this country's "poverty stricken". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 14639 Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 My sisters husband fucked off to Spain with another bird, then made her and their two daughters technically homeless by demanding they sell the family home. She works full time at the local council offices and got a rented place but the rent is going up yet again, just as the eldest daughter leaves home to go to college later this year, so my sis loses family allowance etc for our Kate, and ex council flat she rents in a quiet non descript market town becomes out of her price range. Looks like she'll maybe have to move in with mum and dad (77 & 78) for a short time at least. Is she in poverty? ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 3986 Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 My last word on poverty. From tonight's Hindu times. despite rising above the poverty line, millions of Indians continue to lack access to safe water, sanitation, housing, nutrition, health and education. No fucking comparison to Britains 13 million in poverty. Good night fuckers. What comfort is that to someone in this country for whom the bedroom tax means they lose £17 a week so they can't pay their electricity bill or eat every day? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 3997 Posted December 9, 2013 Author Share Posted December 9, 2013 So, I've just checked and this is essentially true. But only if you have 3+ kids and are on a full time low wage. So even with the credits you're going to be earning way less than average with the expense of having to raise three kids. I just can't see how luxury cars, ps4s, foreign holidays etc are possible in this scenario? Are these the families I'm supposed to resent and be jealous of? I'm not sure where you are going with this. All I'm doing is replying to your £13 a week benefit point. It's far too complex a subject to argue on the Internet as there is a sliding scale from the scroungers who play the system perfectly to the genuine strugglers. Housing property is like gold dust and you can understand hard working couples frustration at being pushed down the list by pregnant teenagers. There's no easy solutions though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17837 Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 No fucking comparison to Britains 13 million in poverty. Correct. Its a ludicrous comparison that has no relevance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17837 Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 I'm not sure where you are going with this. All I'm doing is replying to your £13 a week benefit point. It's far too complex a subject to argue on the Internet as there is a sliding scale from the scroungers who play the system perfectly to the genuine strugglers. Housing property is like gold dust and you can understand hard working couples frustration at being pushed down the list by pregnant teenagers. There's no easy solutions though. Weird, you make it sound like people aspire to rent a council house. Don't most people working want to buy nowadays? There was a documentary covering these issues a while back on BBC 1. In many areas you wouldn't want to touch the type of property these teenage mums are entitled to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17837 Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 Oh, and tax credits aren't benefits, they're for working people only. The type of people who surely deserve a leg up (or preferably getting a living wage in the first place). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 3997 Posted December 9, 2013 Author Share Posted December 9, 2013 Weird, you make it sound like people aspire to rent a council house. Don't most people working want to buy nowadays? There was a documentary covering these issues a while back on BBC 1. In many areas you wouldn't want to touch the type of property these teenage mums are entitled to. You are so out of touch with the real world Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 3997 Posted December 9, 2013 Author Share Posted December 9, 2013 Oh, and tax credits aren't benefits, Really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17837 Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 You are so out of touch with the real world Says the man who denies the existence of poverty in the UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17837 Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 Really? They're credits for low paid working people. By you reckoning, is a state pension a benefit then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 26985 Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 We never will meet in the middle on these subjects. I work damn fucking hard to get things a pay for me the mrs and save for my future family. To see some undeserved scrats get everything thrown at them simply by having children twists my stomach. They deserve the wake up siren they are hearing. Sigh. I work damn fucking hard too for my Mrs and current, not future family, I have no mortgage so should be laughing but in reality we're feeling the pinch, me and the Mrs will be getting each other little stocking filler type presents this Christmas, (just so the kids can see us opening a present or two), this is the reality of a lot of people out there. You go without. The Mother in law was left to hold the baby as the original Father in law fucked off, The Mrs remembers her Mother going without food regularly as their wasn't the money to go around. Renton man, there's people out there pulling in £150 plus a week on tax credits. Only the lowest paid of HARD WORKING families can get that. I'm not sure where you are going with this. All I'm doing is replying to your £13 a week benefit point. It's far too complex a subject to argue on the Internet as there is a sliding scale from the scroungers who play the system perfectly to the genuine strugglers. Housing property is like gold dust and you can understand hard working couples frustration at being pushed down the list by pregnant teenagers. There's no easy solutions though. Scroungers. Check. Hard working couples. Check. Pregnant teenagers.......BINGO!!!!! You are so out of touch with the real world I know a pal who sits in a freezing flat with no electricity as most of the time his 'card' runs out. His electricity is on a higher tarrif to most peoples but the card is what he can only 'afford' so he can just top up when he has some money. His fridge is fucking pitifully bare and what food he has in there is mostly pure shit from Herons in ChurchWalk. That's the real world, CT, not erdingers at 6, Wham at 8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 3986 Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 I know a pal who sits in a freezing flat with no electricity as most of the time his 'card' runs out. His electricity is on a higher tarrif to most peoples but the card is what he can only 'afford' so he can just top up when he has some money. His fridge is fucking pitifully bare and what food he has in there is mostly pure shit from Herons in ChurchWalk. That's the real world, CT, not erdingers at 6, Wham at 8. Yes but people in India are poorer so your mate can't moan and isn't in fact poor at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 26985 Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 Yes but people in India are poorer so your mate can't moan and isn't in fact poor at all. He doesn't moan, he just goes out and buys a "50 plasma tv on a monthly basis like they all do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 14639 Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 Let me put it more broadly, Britain is a rich country accruing many of the stereotypical bad habits of a developing country http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/dec/09/britain-now-developing-country-foodbanks-growth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 3997 Posted December 10, 2013 Author Share Posted December 10, 2013 Let me put it more broadly, Britain is a rich country accruing many of the stereotypical bad habits of a developing country http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/dec/09/britain-now-developing-country-foodbanks-growth Managed decline..... Wonder where we've heard that before. It would be interesting in one of these dreary Guardian articles ever finished with "and this is how we put it right......" If people take their political colours off, most stats change very little when measured over decades. It's a lot of tinkering around the edges. We can do nothing about big business chasing low production costs. Not a thing. What we can do as a country is what most of us HAVE to do during hard times which is reign the spending in, target resources better, do without some of the things we'd love to have etc etc I have little time for those who paint this picture where everything could be rosy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 38847 Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 My sisters husband fucked off to Spain with another bird, then made her and their two daughters technically homeless by demanding they sell the family home. She works full time at the local council offices and got a rented place but the rent is going up yet again, just as the eldest daughter leaves home to go to college later this year, so my sis loses family allowance etc for our Kate, and ex council flat she rents in a quiet non descript market town becomes out of her price range. Looks like she'll maybe have to move in with mum and dad (77 & 78) for a short time at least. Is she in poverty? ..... I'd say so- hope things get better for her , sooner rather than later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 38847 Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 What we can do as a country is what most of us HAVE to do during hard times which is reign the spending in, target resources better, do without some of the things we'd love to have etc etc Personal examples please. Having to buy your match pies from Greggs doesn't cut it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 34642 Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 Personal examples please. Having to buy your match pies from Greggs doesn't cut it. Buy fewer tropical fish, only get the chameleon instead of the Komodo dragon. Things like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 38847 Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 Austerity' s a bitch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 34642 Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 Not to mention the fact he's wasting away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 38847 Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 Austerity's a saggy bitchtit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desmondTUTU 0 Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 Do you know what Renton does for a living too now, Desmond?Fuck me, are you Derek Acorah, and have you just shit yourself? I was talking to you, not him. But you knew that any way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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