Christmas Tree 3997 Posted May 9, 2015 Author Share Posted May 9, 2015 Tony Blair summed it up perfectly... "A traditional Labour Party took on a traditional Conservative Party with the traditional result". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonatine 9999 Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/generalelection/hours-after-the-election-the-dwp-says-it-is-looking-to-cut-a-disabled-access-to-work-scheme-10237191.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 3997 Posted May 9, 2015 Author Share Posted May 9, 2015 http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/generalelection/hours-after-the-election-the-dwp-says-it-is-looking-to-cut-a-disabled-access-to-work-scheme-10237191.html That's very misleading. The policy was actually announced BEFORE the general election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 34467 Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 There's a clarification to that effect at the bottom of the article. The point is less the timing of the announcement, more the nature of the proposal though, surely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19825 Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 Tony Blair summed it up perfectly... "A traditional Labour Party took on a traditional Conservative Party with the traditional result". A traditional Labour Party would have been anti austerity so he couldn't be more wrong. Miliband's labour was only marginally to the left of the tories, something you have already said in this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 3997 Posted May 9, 2015 Author Share Posted May 9, 2015 "http://youtu.be/VPeUfZ6zNLo" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj 17 Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 http://i100.independent.co.uk/article/heres-how-the-election-results-would-look-under-a-proportional-voting-system--gJenQmaW2gW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 14585 Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 Aye I know him. He ran the Yes Scottish Borders campaign for the referendum. Good lad. He'll do well. Really pleased he got elected. Didn't know till Friday that I've met his mother a few times and know his uncles well, one of them was my techie drawing teacher, who was also a close friend of my late uncle. All his mum's side of his family are from the same village as my old mans family. He was knocking on doors there at Easter when I was up visiting, think he's turned my English mother native Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 34467 Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 "Mum". Wait til HMHM sees this, there's gonna be hell on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 14585 Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 I might get away with it seeing as am a "porridge mooth" anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 14585 Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 New Labour overlords quick to knife Milliband... Miliband made 'terrible mistake' in ditching New Labour, says Mandelson http://gu.com/p/489ax It's the mark of an ocean going cunt to kick a man when he's down... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj 17 Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 Twitter - https://mobile.twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/597371174033694720 Great bunch of lads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26348 Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 Yeah but... https://vine.co/v/Mz3nAKXEtmt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 70 Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 (edited) New Labour overlords quick to knife Milliband... Miliband made 'terrible mistake' in ditching New Labour, says Mandelson http://gu.com/p/489ax It's the mark of an ocean going cunt to kick a man when he's down... Getting behind Chukka Ominous. Ticks all the boxes. Hates old Labour, never had a job, public school, half -black, expensive watch, posh accent, shaved head, big ET telegenic eyes, caught altering his own wiki to inc Obama, the demena of a cunt, Notting HIll mafia. No wonder Labour are dead. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJvdK_WRa28 Edited May 10, 2015 by Park Life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 3997 Posted May 10, 2015 Author Share Posted May 10, 2015 Getting behind Chukka Ominous. Ticks all the boxes. Hates old Labour, never had a job, public school, half -black, expensive watch, posh accent, shaved head, big ET telegenic eyes, caught altering his own wiki to inc Obama, the demena of a cunt, Notting HIll mafia. No wonder Labour are dead. He was my front runner however this Leicester Liz woman whose announced she's running could be Labours Sturgeon. Also the ex special forces guy is getting a good sounding. Not that any of it will make any difference. Scotland will be gone by 2020 so looks like Conservatives forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17783 Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 He was my front runner however this Leicester Liz woman whose announced she's running could be Labours Sturgeon. Also the ex special forces guy is getting a good sounding. Not that any of it will make any difference. Scotland will be gone by 2020 so looks like Conservatives forever. Erm what about 1997, 2001, and 2005?. Anyway, you should, but obviously don't, know that politics doesn't work like this. Parties will adopt to take advantage of the changes. In this case politics will probably become increasingly right wing. So don't worry, although you won't get your wet dream of a permanent conservative party you're going to get what you want anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 14585 Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 So Cameron saved the union just to knife Labour?..... "ah hae ma doots"... Holyrood elections next year, but a vote to allow another referendum after the "once in a lifetime" gig last year still has to go through Westminster.... I really don't know what the Tories have in store for for Scotland in the next 5 years but I don't think he wants to see the end of the union...just yet anyway..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 14585 Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 Getting behind Chukka Ominous. Ticks all the boxes. Hates old Labour, never had a job, public school, half -black, expensive watch, posh accent, shaved head, big ET telegenic eyes, caught altering his own wiki to inc Obama, the demena of a cunt, Notting HIll mafia. No wonder Labour are dead. I like Burnham but middle England wouldn't touch him with a bargepole, a gobby scouser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 34467 Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 Umunna was a solicitor for 6 years before going into politics Parky. Update your files. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 70 Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 Umunna was a solicitor for 6 years before going into politics Parky. Update your files. Haven't you and Brand done enough damage to Labour? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 34467 Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 I've never heard of this Liz Kendall boiler, but this is an un-ladylike way to sit: Get her in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 34467 Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 Some decent stuff on this week's Bugle, although as ever too much Zaltzman. https://soundcloud.com/the-bugle/bugle-292-a-career-defining-election Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 3997 Posted May 10, 2015 Author Share Posted May 10, 2015 Erm what about 1997, 2001, and 2005?. Anyway, you should, but obviously don't, know that politics doesn't work like this. Parties will adopt to take advantage of the changes. In this case politics will probably become increasingly right wing. So don't worry, although you won't get your wet dream of a permanent conservative party you're going to get what you want anyway. The difference this time is Labour is wiped out in Scotland and the boundary changes will give the conservatives an extra 20 seats. It's not impossible Labour gets back in at some stage, however it will require ...... 1. A return to blairite policies 2. Catastrophic fuck up from the conservatives. 3. Being able to win back voters who have switched to UKIP. 4. The English voters being at ease with a labour / SNP coalition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 3997 Posted May 10, 2015 Author Share Posted May 10, 2015 So Cameron saved the union just to knife Labour?..... "ah hae ma doots"... Holyrood elections next year, but a vote to allow another referendum after the "once in a lifetime" gig last year still has to go through Westminster.... I really don't know what the Tories have in store for for Scotland in the next 5 years but I don't think he wants to see the end of the union...just yet anyway..... He should offer them full fiscal authority. This would mean the SNP having to raise taxes, increase austerity or mount up massive debts. The Scottish public may then realise the myth Sturgeon is pedalling. With the current "handout" from Westminster Sturgeon can do the nice stuff but blame the shit stuff on Westminster. As soon as that is no longer possible the other parties will recover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17783 Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 in all the years I listed Labour would have won comfortably without a single scotish seat. You're simply ignoring history. Britain has never and will never be a one party state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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