ewerk 26558 Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 The speed with which you can actually see his mind go from 'zing!' to 'oh no, why the fuck did I say that?' is amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 14110 Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 Took me ten plays to work out what he was actually saying. I suppose it's only fair the right have a nervous-stammer Owen Jones equivalent too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 As much as I really want to dislike that guy, what is it exactly that he's done wrong by saying that? Hasn't Snow been in the news for saying 'Fuck the Tories' or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19879 Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 Allegedly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 Ah so, Snow claims he didn't say that? Even so, it's hardly high drama Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19879 Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 Snow didn't deny or confirm, which means he did say it, the ledge. here's a tweet you might enjoy, Rayvin. It sparked some funny follow up chat which is worth reading too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 You've got me confused with Parky - he's the one who thinks there's a conspiracy. I just think you're all navel gazers trapped in your respective bubbles and entirely resistant to changes in narratives that you yourselves don't set Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 70 Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 2 minutes ago, Rayvin said: You've got me confused with Parky - he's the one who thinks there's a conspiracy. I just think you're all navel gazers trapped in your respective bubbles and entirely resistant to changes in narratives that you yourselves don't set Don't tell me what I think fuckhead! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 8 minutes ago, Park Life said: Don't tell me what I think fuckhead! So it's not a conspiracy? In which case, Gloom, no one on here thinks the MSM are a conspiratorial group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30537 Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 Talk about the government holding secret meetings with the Lib Dems now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19879 Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 just when it looked like the lib dems couldn't sink any lower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 For what? I thought they had their arrangement in place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19879 Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 (edited) all it takes is a handful of tory rebels to tip over the DUP backstop. i can see a mutual back scratching arrangement with the lib dems to try to ensure certain bits of legislation are passed. i hope the lib dems do the honourable thing and tell them to get fucked. Edited July 4, 2017 by Dr Gloom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30537 Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 56 minutes ago, Rayvin said: For what? I thought they had their arrangement in place? Like Gloom says, it suggests they don't feel they can rely on their own MPs to get stuff through Parliament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30537 Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 47 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: all it takes is a handful of tory rebels to top over the DUP backstop. i can see a mutual back scratching arrangement with the lib dems to try to ensure certain bits of legislation are passed. i hope the lib dems do the honourable thing and tell them to get fucked. Can't believe they'd go for it again after the last time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 70 Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 2 minutes ago, Alex said: Like Gloom says, it suggests they don't feel they can rely on their own MPs to get stuff through Parliament. A lot of them never turn up do they. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30537 Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 It's a long way from Hampshire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 That's potentially a good thing though, isn't it? If they're turning to the Lib Dems, it must be to try and cancel out the hardline Brexiters. If that's the case, then actually, I'd support the Lib Dems being involved in some form. If only to give us a softer Brexit. Hard to see how the Dems could support anything that isn't the Tories turning around and saying they're going to cancel article 50 though, given what they campaigned on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 70 Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 1 minute ago, Rayvin said: That's potentially a good thing though, isn't it? If they're turning to the Lib Dems, it must be to try and cancel out the hardline Brexiters. If that's the case, then actually, I'd support the Lib Dems being involved in some form. If only to give us a softer Brexit. Hard to see how the Dems could support anything that isn't the Tories turning around and saying they're going to cancel article 50 though, given what they campaigned on. You change sides by the day innit. Long gone your MSM rants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 I'm not changing sides at all What side have I changed from and to here? I'm just speculating that from a strategic point of view, such a move may be favourable. I've always been pro EU... As for the MSM ranting, there's a time and a place really. And I think there's been a shift in the discourse anyway - we need to give it some time to develop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30537 Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 If they Lib Dems get full PR and cancelling article 50 I think they'll got for it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 70 Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 1 minute ago, Rayvin said: I'm not changing sides at all What side have I changed from and to here? I'm just speculating that from a strategic point of view, such a move may be favourable. I've always been pro EU... As for the MSM ranting, there's a time and a place really. And I think there's been a shift in the discourse anyway - we need to give it some time to develop. Thinking the Lib Dems will have a moderating effect is deluded straw clutching beyond all acceptable parameters. Anything that allows this Govt to function is problematic. We want another election asap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 9 minutes ago, Park Life said: Thinking the Lib Dems will have a moderating effect is deluded straw clutching beyond all acceptable parameters. Anything that allows this Govt to function is problematic. We want another election asap. The Tories are going to struggle on regardless man. They always fucking do. There is no chance in hell they're going to allow Corbyn a solid chance at winning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 70 Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 1 minute ago, Rayvin said: The Tories are going to struggle on regardless man. They always fucking do. There is no chance in hell they're going to allow Corbyn a solid chance at winning. The Tories are getting taken down by forces much more powerful than than them. You know as well as I do they are in rampant chaos. U-Turns, Brexit back peddling, Leadership in hiding and so on....Events will continue to unfold this summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19879 Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 1 hour ago, Rayvin said: The Tories are going to struggle on regardless man. They always fucking do. There is no chance in hell they're going to allow Corbyn a solid chance at winning. i think that's what they want to happen - for may to struggle on for a couple of years and take the fall for brexit. whether that's possible is another matter. i can't see this flimsy deal with the DUP being enough to allow them to govern for long, let alone survive the negotiations when the party is so divided. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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