Rayvin 4964 Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 Just now, Dr Gloom said: Actually, lots of people care about it, which is why it’s newsworthy. Just as they care islamophobia in the Tory party. The difference is we expect the Tories to be racist. That’s what they do. People may do. The press do not. I don't think there is anything you can say at this point to persuade me otherwise tbh. The press have been a disgrace on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 38884 Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 Being inherently pacifist isn’t a bad thing- if he believes that engaging in discussion with “terrorists” can result in peaceful resolutions, what’s the problem? The Good Friday agreement, which the Tories seem hell bent on pissing all over, would never have happened without engaging terrorists. Edit; His handling of the Anti-Semiitism issue has been fucking woeful though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 5 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: It’s not the only thing that sticks, there’s his refusal to press the nuclear button, sympathising with terrorists etc. I’m amazed we haven’t heard more of those attacks, particularly in the debates. Because they don't stick. At least nowhere near as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 34746 Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 The idea that you've got to be bang up for nuclear war to be a leader SHOULD be fucking idiotic. The "OMG he can't even say he would melt half the planet" reaction is what's wrong, not Corbyn's apprehension. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19857 Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 1 minute ago, Monkeys Fist said: Being inherently pacifist isn’t a bad thing- if he believes that engaging in discussion with “terrorists” can result in peaceful resolutions, what’s the problem? The Good Friday agreement, which the Tories seem hell bent on pissing all over, would never have happened without engaging terrorists. i don't disagree with him but they are two of his obvious weaknesses which stick with a lot of voters. a more savvy leader would play the game. they went after him on both issues a lot more last time around. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19857 Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 3 minutes ago, Rayvin said: People may do. The press do not. I don't think there is anything you can say at this point to persuade me otherwise tbh. The press have been a disgrace on this. "the press". yes, sorry, it's just one big collective MSM that say and think exactly the same, i forgot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17848 Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 Danger for the tories if they press this too hard is that it will expose their own racism and islamophobic issues. And there are a lot more voting muslims than Jews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 3 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: "the press". yes, sorry, it's just one big collective MSM that say and think exactly the same, i forgot. It would be harder to think that if they stopped acting like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 Just now, Renton said: Danger for the tories if they press this too hard is that it will expose their own racism and islamophobic issues. And there are a lot more voting muslims than Jews. If a similar thing came up for the Tories it would be a footnote in the media and forgotten in a few hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19857 Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 Just now, Rayvin said: It would be harder to think that if they stopped acting like it. "they" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 3986 Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 9 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: Actually, lots of people care about it, which is why it’s newsworthy. Just as they care islamophobia in the Tory party. The difference is we expect the Tories to be racist. That’s what they do. I'd also say that more tory voters hold racist views and its a lot less likely to put them off voting for them. I know a lot of traditional working class labour voters tend towards racism but not as many as tory voters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26540 Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 1 minute ago, Rayvin said: If a similar thing came up for the Tories it would be a footnote in the media and forgotten in a few hours. All the leadership candidates agreed on live national TV to hold an enquiry into islamophobia yet they've all happily sat by while it's been diluted into an investigation on racism in general and put on the back burner. Meanwhile there's barely been any mention of it from Gloom's lot. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 4 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: "they" They. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 38884 Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 Whey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 5941 Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 (edited) Can someone explain the Corbyn antisemite stuff? I get that some old school Labour members have posted antisemitic stuff on social media, and subsequently been dealt with by the Labour party. What else is going on? I see the bint off countdown banging on, and Boris' mates using it as a stick to beat Corbyn with (whilst turning a blind eye to their islamaphobia). Corbyn has publicly denounced anti semitism on many occasions AFAIK? Edited November 26, 2019 by Kid Dynamite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 34746 Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 Oy vey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 38884 Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 Deported. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19857 Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 11 minutes ago, Kid Dynamite said: Can someone explain the Corbyn antisemite stuff? I get that some old school Labour members have posted antisemitic stuff on social media, and subsequently been dealt with by the Labour party. What else is going on? I see the bint off countdown banging on, and Boris' mates using it as a stick to beat Corbyn with (whilst turning a blind eye to their islamaphobia). Corbyn has publicly denounced anti semitism on many occasions AFAIK? It’s just a MSM conspiracy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 38884 Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 16 minutes ago, Kid Dynamite said: Can someone explain the Corbyn antisemite stuff? I get that some old school Labour members have posted antisemitic stuff on social media, and subsequently been dealt with by the Labour party. What else is going on? I see the bint off countdown banging on, and Boris' mates using it as a stick to beat Corbyn with (whilst turning a blind eye to their islamaphobia). Corbyn has publicly denounced anti semitism on many occasions AFAIK? A summary of it on Wikipedia Other than resigning, I don’t see what else he can do? * puts on tin hat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 38884 Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 1 minute ago, Dr Gloom said: It’s just a MSM conspiracy Its a fair question though Gloomy. You’ve said yourself that you don’t think he’s Anti-Semitic, what would you want to see/hear from him to settle the issue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 8 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: It’s just a MSM conspiracy Not so much a conspiracy as a hive mind of establishment talking heads. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30506 Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 55 minutes ago, Gemmill said: Shame they’re all Jews 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 How reasonable is it to assume that most of those are Labour voters? No other party is encouraging voter registration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 38884 Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 I’d say medium reasonable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26540 Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 James Brokenshire getting a mailing on islamophobia on Politics Live right now. Asked to respond to the Muslim Council of Britain had to say about the Tories this morning he began responding with ‘Well I think what the Chief Rabbi said about Labour was very worrying’. No cunt from either of the main parties are prepared to accept any responsibility. Expect Jo Swinson to come out this evening to denounce all Catholics as nonces just so she doesn’t feel left out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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