Donald Trump

[Isegrim 10885]

1 hour ago, Kevin Carr's Gloves said:

Some of us grew up during the cold war and the troubles, some during the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and the terrorist attacks linked to them like 7/7. So who here grew up in a safe world?

1990 to 2001

[Craig 8019]

20 hours ago, Toonpack said:

 

He may (just may) have overstepped, MAGA were dead against getting involved. A pre-emptive strike against a foreign nation is not within Presidential powers and must be approved by Congress. I know the rules don't apply to this cunt but a lot were vehemently against this, we can but hope this time the rules may be observed and he could be in the shit.

 

It'll get worse for him again when US servicemen, and possibly civilians, start to die as I am sure they will.

He'll see it as collateral damage, no doubt.

Was speaking to someone over the weekend who thinks it's part of Trump's economic plan - to start a war to boost the economy he's trashing with some of his other batshit crazy ideas.

[RobinRobin 13228]

He just doesn't care what he wrecks to get what he wants. Even though what he wants changes with the wind. 🙁 

[PaddockLad 20187]

[Craig 8019]

12 hours ago, Renton said:

Iran are more dangerous to us, as in UK, EU, than Israel. Of course they are. They're allied with Russia, close to China and frankly our number2 enemy. Israel are our ally. That doesn't detract or excuse their atrocities, but it's true nonetheless.

I struggle to quantify it tbh. Yes, Israel are traditionally our ally, but under its current leadership, I don't trust them - but that doesn't mean I trust Iran any more than them. 

Israel are one of only 3 nations to possess nukes but not sign the NPT. 

[Rayvin 6681]

They're also led by someone with an active arrest warrant out from the ICC for crimes against humanity. Iran aren't.

[Monkeys Fist 47091]

4 hours ago, Kevin Carr's Gloves said:

Some of us grew up during the cold war and the troubles, some during the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and the terrorist attacks linked to them like 7/7. So who here grew up in a safe world?

I grew up in Killy Towers. 
 

 

Top that, mofos! 

[Renton 24935]

1 hour ago, Rayvin said:

They're also led by someone with an active arrest warrant out from the ICC for crimes against humanity. Iran aren't.

 

A person who in theory can be removed in an election. A country which in principle is a democracy and part of the international rules based order. Now, these are under massive stress at the moment because elected officials like Trump and Netanyahu are in actual fact autocratic trying to break the system. But there is a chance of reversal here through democratic mechanisms.

What's happening with the US and Israel is very disturbing. But it doesn't change what Iran is. Hive me the option, I'd much rather live in Washington DC or Tel Aviv than Tehran. I suspect you would too.

[Rayvin 6681]

8 minutes ago, Renton said:

 

A person who in theory can be removed in an election. A country which in principle is a democracy and part of the international rules based order. Now, these are under massive stress at the moment because elected officials like Trump and Netanyahu are in actual fact autocratic trying to break the system. But there is a chance of reversal here through democratic mechanisms.

What's happening with the US and Israel is very disturbing. But it doesn't change what Iran is. Hive me the option, I'd much rather live in Washington DC or Tel Aviv than Tehran. I suspect you would too.

 

Tehran looks fairly developed to me tbh. I don't get the sense that Iran is a fundamentalist state at the citizen level. I mean I saw the pictures of it in the 50s before we fucked them over too, it looked fairly well developed. It should be the leading light of the whole region, it only isn't because of us.

 

Netanyahu is in his 6th term as Prime Minister, so what does that say about Israel's electorate? Do we want to be allied with people who consistently vote for a war criminal? I just can't pretend this is all ok man, I just can't.

 

I wouldn't be able to stay in Washington now anyway because of posts like this. They'd deport me.

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12 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

 

Tehran looks fairly developed to me tbh. I don't get the sense that Iran is a fundamentalist state at the citizen level. I mean I saw the pictures of it in the 50s before we fucked them over too, it looked fairly well developed. It should be the leading light of the whole region, it only isn't because of us.

 

The reason it isn't is because of the cunts running it. I get your point about how they came to power but they are an authoritarian regime with no allies in the middle east.

[Renton 24935]

9 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

 

Tehran looks fairly developed to me tbh. I don't get the sense that Iran is a fundamentalist state at the citizen level. I mean I saw the pictures of it in the 50s before we fucked them over too, it looked fairly well developed. It should be the leading light of the whole region, it only isn't because of us.

 

Netanyahu is in his 6th term as Prime Minister, so what does that say about Israel's electorate? Do we want to be allied with people who consistently vote for a war criminal? I just can't pretend this is all ok man, I just can't.

 

I wouldn't be able to stay in Washington now anyway because of posts like this. They'd deport me.

 

Iran was an enlightened place before the islamic revolution. Now, not so much. Is that our fault or the Ayatollahs? I dunno.

 

You can go there with all the correct visas and paper work but good chance you're not coming back. Yes, the US are to some extent following the play book. I don't want to chance visiting there again any time soon. Honestly don't know anywhere near enough about Israeli politics to explain Netanyahu, I know Glooms the board expert on that. Doubt I'll ever go there either.

 

I still think European values are aspirational though and I include the UK in that, for now.

[Craig 8019]

Not sure I'd want to be in Tel Aviv tbh. 

[Dazzler 13091]

1 hour ago, Monkeys Fist said:

I grew up in Killy Towers. 
 

 

Top that, mofos! 

Elswick / Rye Hill

 

I saw things in cruddas park shops that Iraqis and Iranians wouldn’t wish on any American tbh.

[spongebob toonpants 4627]

44 minutes ago, Renton said:

 

A person who in theory can be removed in an election. A country which in principle is a democracy and part of the international rules based order. Now, these are under massive stress at the moment because elected officials like Trump and Netanyahu are in actual fact autocratic trying to break the system. But there is a chance of reversal here through democratic mechanisms.

What's happening with the US and Israel is very disturbing. But it doesn't change what Iran is. Hive me the option, I'd much rather live in Washington DC or Tel Aviv than Tehran. I suspect you would too.

Iran was a fully functioning democracy before the CI A and the UK staged a couple because the democratically elected government voted to renationalise the oil fields that the UK and the US were exploiting.

They installed a puppet monarch which lead inevitably to revolution

 

It always comes down to oil in the end

[Craig 8019]

Aged well.