2017 GE 1

[Dr Gloom 21823]

They're fulfilling NATO commitments as military observers, hardly imperialists.

 

can you not accept that a death cult driven by a twisted religious ideology is the main thing that inspires people to blow themselves in the name of Allah? 

[Happy Face 29]

Think we've discussed it before

 

Lets agree it's a massively complex set of drivers that lead someone to act like that. Warped Religious education, social exclusion, mental illness, horror at atrocities inflicted elsewhere and any other number of drivers will all contribute to each attackers motives to varying degrees and we can't make blanket statements about any single main cause that would cause all attacks to cease if resolved.

[Park Life 71]

Right pair of pussies here. Stand your ground you fairies.

 

It's a complex set of drivers...Oh look a 10p piece!

[Happy Face 29]

Stood my ground for years and still very much in agreement with Corbyn*. It's been done to death between me, DG and Renton though. Gets silly to repeat it.

 

*EDIT: and MI5 and the pentagon and the joint intelligence committee

 

[Dr Gloom 21823]

Fair enough. Could get a bit like the wolfy bore fest otherwise. 

[Park Life 71]

''Security experts – including both conservatives and liberals – agree that waging war in the Middle East weakens national security and increases terrorism. See this, this, this, this, this, this, this and this.

Ooops.

Killing innocent civilians is one of the main things which increases terrorism. As one of the top counter-terrorism experts (the former number 2 counter-terrorism expert at the State Department) told me, starting wars against states which do not pose an imminent threat to America’s national security increases the threat of terrorism because:

One of the principal causes of terrorism is injuries to people and families.....

Our Program of Torture Created Terrorists

In addition, torture creates new terrorists:

• A top counter-terrorism expert says torture increases the risk of terrorism (and see this).

• One of the top military interrogators said that torture by Americans of innocent Iraqis is the main reason that foreign fighters started fighting against Americans in Iraq in the first place (and see this).

• Former counter-terrorism czar Richard A. Clarke says that America’s indefinite detention without trial and abuse of prisoners is a leading Al Qaeda recruiting tool

• A former FBI interrogator — who interrogated Al Qaeda suspects — says categorically that torture actually turns people into terrorists

• A 30-year veteran of CIA’s operations directorate who rose to the most senior managerial ranks, says:

  Torture creates more terrorists and fosters more acts of terror than it could possibly neutralize.''

 

 

 

1979 - Russian invasion of Afghanistan.

 

After second gulf war 2003. World terrorism skyrocketed.

 

 

 

 

http://www.globalresearch.ca/u-s-war-on-terror-has-increased-terrorism/5355073

Edited May 26, 2017 by Park Life

[TheGingerQuiff 2412]

Anybody watch Andrew Tory Brillopad grilling Corbyn? About 15 minutes on the IRA 5 minutes digging up old labour mp's quotes on him. 5-10 minutes of discussion on his policy proposals shoehorned in.

[Happy Face 29]

Tbf he never exactly gave May an easy ride.

 

He has to go after their weak spots, not give them a 30 minute manifesto platform.

[Happy Face 29]

 

Less than a quarter disagree with Corbyn. Might not quite be the vote loser the sun, mail, telegraph, sky news and that make out.

[Howmanheyman 32790]

11 hours ago, Rayvin said:

Sargon is rattled  Which I'm loving.

 

 

Is Sargon the bad wizard in Lord of the rings?

[Rayvin 5186]

11 minutes ago, Howmanheyman said:

Is Sargon the bad wizard in Lord of the rings?

 

Basically yeah.

[Park Life 71]

Sargon hasn't yet realised he fights me.

 

The polls will turn.

 

The Dragon rises again.

 

Edited May 26, 2017 by Park Life

[ewerk 30295]

The Welsh can get tee fuck.

[Dr Gloom 21823]

It would be a brilliant story if Corbyn could somehow pull it off. It's be almost as big as Trump. And for May, the drama of calling a snap election, certain of securing a bigger majority only to lose would be political theatre at its finest.

 

but I'm afraid it isn't going to happen, despite what may or may not be happening to Saturn.

[ohhh_yeah 2942]

 

 

[Park Life 71]

 

[TheGingerQuiff 2412]

7 hours ago, Dr Gloom said:

It would be a brilliant story if Corbyn could somehow pull it off. It's be almost as big as Trump. And for May, the drama of calling a snap election, certain of securing a bigger majority only to lose would be political theatre at its finest.

 

but I'm afraid it isn't going to happen, despite what may or may not be happening to Saturn.

 

Why are you so certain? He's surging in polls, his odds have tumbled. His policies are popular, hers aren't. I think it's far from a foregone conclusion at this point 

[Dr Gloom 21823]

3 minutes ago, TheGingerQuiff said:

 

Why are you so certain? He's surging in polls, his odds have tumbled. His policies are popular, hers aren't. I think it's far from a foregone conclusion at this point 

 

Middle england will never vote for him. They decide elections, particularly now labour has lost Scotland 

[TheGingerQuiff 2412]

The next week will be interesting. He's made fast gains it'll be difficult for tories to arrest the slide from here. They're in a position of having no positive policies in their manifesto so they're probably going to resort to attacking Corbyn. Can't see that ending well for them. 

 

 

[Dr Gloom 21823]

Don't know, it's worked with in the past.

[TheGingerQuiff 2412]

People already know about his supposed character flaws though, unless they're sitting on something new I don't think it's going to wash

[Dr Gloom 21823]

12 hours ago, TheGingerQuiff said:

Anybody watch Andrew Tory Brillopad grilling Corbyn? About 15 minutes on the IRA 5 minutes digging up old labour mp's quotes on him. 5-10 minutes of discussion on his policy proposals shoehorned in.

 

Agree with HF on this. Brillo is actually a good example of balanced main stream media interviewikg technique. Sure we all know he's a Tory but he gives all sides a grilling and will continue to ask the difficult questions the politicians don't want to answer. Have to say I thought Corbyn handled his appearance much better Ann May did. 

[TheGingerQuiff 2412]

I thought he pressed too much on the IRA stuff. Corbyn's position was quite clear before the interview, the answers he gave after the first couple of questions weren't going to suddenly change. Seemed like a massive waste of time when he could have been scrutinising his plans for the country

[PaddockLad 17111]

Didn't see Brillo pad v Jezza but it would appear that almost unbelievably the Guardian are warming to  Corbyn....

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/26/jeremy-corbyn-takes-security-risk-and-confounds-critics?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

 

recent history suggests that polls in the run up to elections are pretty useless but taking the latest figures at face value it seems to me that possibly we're heading for a hung parliament, which is the diametric opposite of what May called the election for  

 

hes been impressive tbh, because he's honest and doesn't answer in PR sound bites or Sun headlines. Big risk pointing out the link between terrorism and foreign intervention this week,  think he's trying to point out to the less well informed among us " look folks we're really not like THAT Labour Party you all remember" .  

[Rayvin 5186]

The Guardian doesn't have a choice now - they've got to back him. That's the whole thing with Corbyn, he's forcing people to actually choose between the Tories and change.