Dr Gloom 19826 Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 3 minutes ago, David Kelly said: Colback is fifth choice behind Diame at best. It actually looks like Saivet is ahead of him at the moment. Phew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1117 Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 6 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: You have to look for positives after the transfer window we've just had. Very pleasing to see him being locked ahead of shelvey and looking more gran competent. We looked toothless without Voldemort in the starting 11 last season. I agree he should be seen as a positive, as should Lejeune, Joselu and Manquillo so far. I just think people set players up for a fall on the back of a couple of good performances. I'm not knocking the lad at all, but for me a more cautious optimism is the way go. Especially as I read from a Dortmund fan that he started well there but faded as the season went on. Obviously he wasn't being played too much so I'm sure that would have been a big factor in that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26394 Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 20 minutes ago, David Kelly said: Colback is fifth choice behind Diame at best. It actually looks like Saivet is ahead of him at the moment. Anyone know if he's still training with the kids? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayatollah Hermione 12767 Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 I think it's just incredibly obvious that, if he's not one already, he'll be an incredibly classy midfielder in due time. It's not a case of form, it's a case of watching the kid play and you can see he's got every attribute you need to be a good central midfielder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1117 Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 9 minutes ago, Ayatollah Hermione said: I think it's just incredibly obvious that, if he's not one already, he'll be an incredibly classy midfielder in due time. It's not a case of form, it's a case of watching the kid play and you can see he's got every attribute you need to be a good central midfielder. A lot of people thought the same of Vianna. He does look very promising though and I can't understand why anyone wouldn't think he's an exciting prospect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19826 Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 some people thought viana was a defensive midfielder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1117 Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 Did we ever settle that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 8994 Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 What gives me hope is that he looks very busy, happy to put the graft in. If he just looked like he can ping the ball around (like Shelvey), but wasn't working hard I'd expect him to fall away, rather than stay the course/improve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19826 Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 he was weak as piss, never a defensive midfielder in a million years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 8994 Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 Regista Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4223 Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 He looks like he can operate in a pretty tight space as well from what I've seen, good close control, Shelvey always seems to struggle with a well executed press, think this lad seems better equipped for it so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4223 Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 1 minute ago, The Fish said: Regista Deep lying enganche Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19826 Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 i wonder if we could play merino alongside shelvey, or whether we need someone with a bit more bite in there, like hayden, instead of two, erm, "registas" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 8994 Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 1 minute ago, Dr Gloom said: i wonder if we could play merino alongside shelvey, or whether we need someone with a bit more bite in there, like hayden, instead of two, erm, "registas" What about a 3 in midfield when we play the big teams? Hayden close to and protecting the back four, with Merino winning the ball in the centre and Shelvey a little further forward of him, aiming to release the wide men? Against sides that look to bypass the midfield I think Merino’s ability in the air is very useful, and we’d likely be able to play him and Shelvey together? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4223 Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 4 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: i wonder if we could play merino alongside shelvey, or whether we need someone with a bit more bite in there, like hayden, instead of two, erm, "registas" It might have been this thread where it was suggested they'd be a decent midfield 3 if we ditched the number 10 formation. I think Shelvey and Merino alone would lack the bite offered by Hayden as you've mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19826 Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 i'd play the three of them and bomb perez, who is offering fuck all so far Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4223 Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 20 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: i'd play the three of them and bomb perez, who is offering fuck all so far I'd like to try it as well but it would be a change of shape Rafa appears very reluctant to make, we're drilled in that 4231 both in defence (which wouldn't change so much with a 433) but the focus and style of attack would have to change quite a bit which would take a while to bed in. Honestly, while we're picking up points reasonably well, I wouldn't change it too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19826 Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 (edited) or just keep the shape the same and move shelvey forward behind the striker. Edited September 12, 2017 by Dr Gloom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4223 Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 Just now, Dr Gloom said: or just keep the shape the same and move shelvey forward behind the strikerr I don't think he'd be good there, its too tight and hes not a great dribbler, if he's too far forward he doesn't get to play those long diagonal balls hes best at playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19826 Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 Yes, I think you're probably right. I wouldn't mind seeing Ritchie in that role, anyone except Perez tbh. I'm amazed we didn't make that position a priority as we're clearly lacking there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 8994 Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 11 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: Yes, I think you're probably right. I wouldn't mind seeing Ritchie in that role, anyone except Perez tbh. I'm amazed we didn't make that position a priority as we're clearly lacking there. I think we were trying to bring in a #10, but ultimately we were relying on Barnes and Charnley to get the job done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howay 12460 Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 1 hour ago, Dr Gloom said: i wonder if we could play merino alongside shelvey, or whether we need someone with a bit more bite in there, like hayden, instead of two, erm, "registas" Merino led the team in tackles attempted and won as well as intercepted passes against Swansea iirc. It's good to be in a position where we have actual options at CM for the first time in fucking yonks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strawb 3660 Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 I don't think Perez has been as bad as all of you tbh. He isn't and probably never will be a world beater but in the formation and way we play he grafts getting back into position and maintaining shape a lot which makes it difficult to then be supporting the striker. Could do with a better option but don't think he is an obvious weak link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19826 Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 McClaren favoured the Anita-Colback axis didn't he? That was as bad as we've been in central midfield for a while Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19826 Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 Just now, strawb said: I don't think Perez has been as bad as all of you tbh. He isn't and probably never will be a world beater but in the formation and way we play he grafts getting back into position and maintaining shape a lot which makes it difficult to then be supporting the striker. Could do with a better option but don't think he is an obvious weak link. someome has got to be the scaoegoat and Dummet is injured, so.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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