Craig 7339 Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 On 08/03/2022 at 19:56, Gemmill said: ANYWAY I'M DONE TALKING WITH YOU OIKS. GOOD NIGHT SIR! Expand Begone! Enjoy wanking off into you pivot table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 23739 Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 https://theanalyst.com/na/2021/07/what-are-expected-goals-xg/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 52483 Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 Yeah WHATEVER, I only hope that YOUR article meets with the approval of the South Coast Fibonacci. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 23739 Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 Woooo chill. Only trying to help you out G-Dogg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 7339 Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 On 08/03/2022 at 20:08, wykikitoon said: Woooo chill. Only trying to help you out G-Dogg Expand Nerve has been touched I think … don’t come between Gemmill and fiscal statistics 😂 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 37965 Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 Does XG stand for Expect Gemmill, usually followed by 'talk shite about football now he's interested again'? (Only joking, I've never seen you put tarquisestra or whatever rhubarb it was?) 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 52483 Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 WHY IS MY INTELLIGENCE SO THREATENING TO YOU PEOPLE?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isegrim 10732 Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 Gemmill”s xB is about 2.5 That’s posting expected bollocks btw 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 11410 Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 xG is fucking simple and fucking useful. Anyone not getting it is either stupid, or willfully ignorant. xG Explained | FBref.com Saying a team is wasteful is subjective. Your brain will fixate on a chance or set of chances that stick in your mind. We've seen how someone can say Joelinton is lazy for example, but the stats don't bear that out. People said that Bruce was going to sort the defence, but xGA stats proved that he didn't, even when we weren't conceding goals we were giving up loads of chances. A team is wasteful? Are they taking loads of shots but from miles out? Are all of their shots dribbling to the 'keeper? Are they getting into good positions, but not actually fashioning a chance? xG helps explain this, and remove subjectivity. Just wait til you luddites start hearing about PPDA or SCA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14284 Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 Oh I get it. It’s just thoroughly boring. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 34207 Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 On 09/03/2022 at 10:01, The Fish said: Just wait til you luddites start hearing about PPDA Expand I think I did some in uni. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 11410 Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 On 09/03/2022 at 10:02, Tom said: Oh I get it. It’s just thoroughly boring. Expand Any more boring than "That team is wasteful?" It's exactly the same fucking thing, just this time it's correct instead essemmbee-age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 11410 Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 (edited) On 09/03/2022 at 10:08, ewerk said: I think I did some in uni. Expand Had you down for Ket, or some other farm animal anesthetic. Edited March 9, 2022 by The Fish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 24254 Posted March 9, 2022 Author Share Posted March 9, 2022 Of course Fish is a fan of xG. I expect nothing less Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 11410 Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 Yeah, I'm a fan of being right. Shocker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isegrim 10732 Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 Fish’s xB is 56.3 compared to Diego’s 0.06 tbs 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 19672 Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 On 09/03/2022 at 10:14, The Fish said: Yeah, I'm a fan of being right. Shocker. Expand Do all varieties of xG analysis now factor in actual defenders being present on the pitch Dave? That bag of festering camel's vomit that Gemmil posted last night suggested that not all of them did. It's not for most punters, we see the game simply, but I can see that the use of economic theory being useful in analysing certain aspects of the game. Read this years ago, it still stands up today... https://www.wob.com/en-gb/books/simon-kuper/soccernomics/9780007586523?gclid=CjwKCAiAvaGRBhBlEiwAiY-yMJ4af7EIZalZrF1GsWYUY1HycB55qtS5F_mznl7HklNauCJF_Vp1LRoCPwMQAvD_BwE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayatollah Hermione 15092 Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 On 09/03/2022 at 10:01, The Fish said: xG is fucking simple and fucking useful. Anyone not getting it is either stupid, or willfully ignorant. xG Explained | FBref.com Saying a team is wasteful is subjective. Your brain will fixate on a chance or set of chances that stick in your mind. We've seen how someone can say Joelinton is lazy for example, but the stats don't bear that out. People said that Bruce was going to sort the defence, but xGA stats proved that he didn't, even when we weren't conceding goals we were giving up loads of chances. A team is wasteful? Are they taking loads of shots but from miles out? Are all of their shots dribbling to the 'keeper? Are they getting into good positions, but not actually fashioning a chance? xG helps explain this, and remove subjectivity. Just wait til you luddites start hearing about PPDA or SCA. Expand just in general. I can’t even be arsed but the proliferation of stats are useful if you’re an employed data analyst and can hand it off to the manager who can do something about it in actual footballing terms. People parroting this shit without actually watching the players or teams in question have, amazingly, found a new way to talk total shite about football. Joelinton was fucking lazy at times as well. Just because he ran around aimlessly like a lost horse doesn’t mean he was contributing effectively. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 11410 Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 On 09/03/2022 at 10:39, PaddockLad said: Do all varieties of xG analysis now factor in actual defenders being present on the pitch Dave? That bag of festering camel's vomit that Gemmil posted last night suggested that not all of them did. It's not for most punters, we see the game simply, but I can see that the use of economic theory being useful in analysing certain aspects of the game. Read this years ago, it still stands up today... https://www.wob.com/en-gb/books/simon-kuper/soccernomics/9780007586523?gclid=CjwKCAiAvaGRBhBlEiwAiY-yMJ4af7EIZalZrF1GsWYUY1HycB55qtS5F_mznl7HklNauCJF_Vp1LRoCPwMQAvD_BwE Expand It does, well, certain models do (Statsbomb for example). They're also getting better further improving their models. Like, a player getting a shot away with his strong foot has a better chance of scoring than with his weaker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 5348 Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 On 09/03/2022 at 12:01, Ayatollah Hermione said: just in general. I can’t even be arsed but the proliferation of stats are useful if you’re an employed data analyst and can hand it off to the manager who can do something about it in actual footballing terms. People parroting this shit without actually watching the players or teams in question have, amazingly, found a new way to talk total shite about football. Joelinton was fucking lazy at times as well. Just because he ran around aimlessly like a lost horse doesn’t mean he was contributing effectively. Expand “ran around like a lost horse”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 11410 Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 On 09/03/2022 at 12:01, Ayatollah Hermione said: just in general. I can’t even be arsed but the proliferation of stats are useful if you’re an employed data analyst and can hand it off to the manager who can do something about it in actual footballing terms. People parroting this shit without actually watching the players or teams in question have, amazingly, found a new way to talk total shite about football. Joelinton was fucking lazy at times as well. Just because he ran around aimlessly like a lost horse doesn’t mean he was contributing effectively. Expand Running around aimlessly doesn't mean he was lazy. Effective contribution isn't always linked to running around. Stats aren't the be all and end all, but it means that when someone like essemmbee spouts bollocks like 'Joelinton was lazy all game', we can prove, objectively, that he's talking shite, instead of the pointless "Yes he was", "No he wasn't" carousel of crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 7339 Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 On 09/03/2022 at 10:01, The Fish said: xG is fucking simple and fucking useful. Anyone not getting it is either stupid, or willfully ignorant. xG Explained | FBref.com Saying a team is wasteful is subjective. Your brain will fixate on a chance or set of chances that stick in your mind. We've seen how someone can say Joelinton is lazy for example, but the stats don't bear that out. People said that Bruce was going to sort the defence, but xGA stats proved that he didn't, even when we weren't conceding goals we were giving up loads of chances. A team is wasteful? Are they taking loads of shots but from miles out? Are all of their shots dribbling to the 'keeper? Are they getting into good positions, but not actually fashioning a chance? xG helps explain this, and remove subjectivity. Just wait til you luddites start hearing about PPDA or SCA. Expand 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 11410 Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 On 09/03/2022 at 12:30, Craig said: Expand Don't you watch Motorsport? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 7339 Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 On 09/03/2022 at 12:01, Ayatollah Hermione said: just in general. I can’t even be arsed but the proliferation of stats are useful if you’re an employed data analyst and can hand it off to the manager who can do something about it in actual footballing terms. People parroting this shit without actually watching the players or teams in question have, amazingly, found a new way to talk total shite about football. Joelinton was fucking lazy at times as well. Just because he ran around aimlessly like a lost horse doesn’t mean he was contributing effectively. Expand This is it in a nutshell, like. Stats should be used to prove an indisputable narrative whereas most often they get used in 'splendid isolation' to support a subjective narrative. I got into a massive debate with someone last year who claimed Dubravka was by far the best keeper in the league because he'd saved the most amount of shots. Making absolutely no reference to the fact he faced significantly more than his contemporaries. So shit like xG is boring as fuck. Yes I understand what it is; and yes, it adds fuck all value. Only two relevant stats in a game of football - goals scored and goals conceded. Everything else is just padding for the spreadsheet monkey's to get themselves in a wankfest over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 19672 Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 On 09/03/2022 at 12:13, The Fish said: Running around aimlessly doesn't mean he was lazy. Effective contribution isn't always linked to running around. Stats aren't the be all and end all, but it means that when someone like essemmbee spouts bollocks like 'Joelinton was lazy all game', we can prove, objectively, that he's talking shite, instead of the pointless "Yes he was", "No he wasn't" carousel of crap. Expand Can you give us some stats to prove that then? That Joelinton was contributing effectively before his change of position? I think in its simplest form if you use your eyes then compare what you think to xG stats you'll often come to the same conclusion.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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