Toonpack 15583 Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 6 minutes ago, Renton said: Is it just me but does the word bookkeeper look teutonically wrong? Anyway, it's in the list of the top 10 professions most at risk from AI. Of course, this is according to AI. Interpreters and translators: AI can handle real-time translation of both text and speech. Historians: AI is proficient at information retrieval, cross-referencing, and building timelines. Proofreaders and copy editors: AI tools can quickly identify and correct errors in grammar and spelling. Customer service representatives: AI-powered chatbots can handle many customer inquiries and support requests. Data entry clerks: AI can automate the process of inputting and organising large amounts of data. Writers and authors: AI can generate various forms of written content, from blog posts to ad copy. Telemarketers: AI can automate outbound calls and sales pitches. Bookkeepers: AI can handle routine financial tasks like data entry and reconciliation. Market research analysts: AI can efficiently process and analyse large datasets to identify patterns and trends. That's bollocks in respect of Historians, I can't see AI ploughing through archives and decoding old text/handwritting. All it can do is interpret and collate already written/digitised history (stolen from real Historians) so it could regurgitate history but rewriting history, no chance. It'll also never replace real creative writers or authors. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 42148 Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 3 minutes ago, Toonpack said: That's bollocks in respect of Historians, I can't see AI ploughing through archives and decoding old text/handwritting. All it can do is interpret and collate already written/digitised history (stolen from real Historians) so it could regurgitate history but rewriting history, no chance. It'll also never replace real creative writers or authors. Or it replaces them with bland, homogenous shite 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 27775 Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 3 minutes ago, Alex said: Or it replaces them with bland, homogenous shite Well that's the point of AI. 8 minutes ago, Toonpack said: That's bollocks in respect of Historians, I can't see AI ploughing through archives and decoding old text/handwritting. All it can do is interpret and collate already written/digitised history (stolen from real Historians) so it could regurgitate history but rewriting history, no chance. It'll also never replace real creative writers or authors. History will no longer be written by the victors, it'll be written by Musk's bots. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 43923 Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 "We are gathered here to say farewell to CT because he didn't want to pay his very last prescription charge before getting it for zip in a couple of weeks time. He lived life like his epitaph, 'My way, or the stairway to heaven way' He leaves behind a loving family, a backyard garden graveyard of disregarded deceased pets, a mug engraving empire and a cracking eBay feedback score from happy buyers getting his ex hobby stuff for half price when he got bored of it. RIP" 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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acrossthepond 1178 Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 It's an absolute barrel of shite and it's making people markedly dumber. Source: I am a teacher. Almost none of these kids know how to do fucking anything besides ask AI to answer questions for them. Even the mindless Googling, which at least forced them to read sources and paraphrase them, has been replaced by AI searches. They write emails with AI, they have AI do their math work for them, it's an absolute shitshow. I wish I could say that's confined to the younger generation, but it isn't. I may have mentioned at some point that I go to law school at nights. The number of my classmates - almost all young professionals, since I'm in the evening program - that routinely have this bullshit word-predicting calculator vomit out assignments for them would boggle your mind. "Oh, I use it to summarize cases for me." Better triple fucking check that, it's TERRIBLE with cases. It routinely makes up citations that don't exist. Practicing lawyers have been sanctioned up and down this country for submitting AI-hallucinated case citations in their briefs. "Oh, I have it explain what I didn't understand from the professor." Mate, you are paying tens, in some cases hundreds of thousands of dollars to attend this school, you'd better fucking pay attention to the professor. "Oh, I use it to pad out my writing assignments." Congratulations, you're forming a habit that will literally lead to your firing, sanction, and disbarment. There will come a point where you literally don't know how to do anything else but rely on what a bot tells you. My only solace is that I'm going into the field of litigation, and a bot can't cross-examine a witness, or fight an objection, or voir dire a member of the jury. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trophyshy 9002 Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 Or get stabbed by a violent criminal. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 6693 Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 4 hours ago, Gemmill said: Bookkeeping can't he under threat from AI cos it ceased to exist as soon as Lotus 123 came out according to CT. Listen fuck face, I didn’t say that and the only fucker laughing is diary of a wimpy kid. But here you go Cant believe this place has me looking forward to more football hand wringing this weekend 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strawb 5423 Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 Seems like an AI answer tbh 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 15583 Posted November 21 Share Posted November 21 Definitely worth the read It needs at least, heavy regulation and restricting to licenced commercial use only or killing with fire (my preference). https://bsky.app/profile/carlbergstrom.com/post/3m64bhthbnk26 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 12372 Posted November 21 Share Posted November 21 9 hours ago, strawb said: Seems like an AI answer tbh To expand - an AI answer to what actual question exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 27775 Posted November 21 Share Posted November 21 2 hours ago, Toonpack said: Definitely worth the read It needs at least, heavy regulation and restricting to licenced commercial use only or killing with fire (my preference). https://bsky.app/profile/carlbergstrom.com/post/3m64bhthbnk26 The EU are at least trying to regulate it. The US and China, not so much. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 27775 Posted November 21 Share Posted November 21 12 hours ago, acrossthepond said: It's an absolute barrel of shite and it's making people markedly dumber. Source: I am a teacher. Almost none of these kids know how to do fucking anything besides ask AI to answer questions for them. Even the mindless Googling, which at least forced them to read sources and paraphrase them, has been replaced by AI searches. They write emails with AI, they have AI do their math work for them, it's an absolute shitshow. I wish I could say that's confined to the younger generation, but it isn't. I may have mentioned at some point that I go to law school at nights. The number of my classmates - almost all young professionals, since I'm in the evening program - that routinely have this bullshit word-predicting calculator vomit out assignments for them would boggle your mind. "Oh, I use it to summarize cases for me." Better triple fucking check that, it's TERRIBLE with cases. It routinely makes up citations that don't exist. Practicing lawyers have been sanctioned up and down this country for submitting AI-hallucinated case citations in their briefs. "Oh, I have it explain what I didn't understand from the professor." Mate, you are paying tens, in some cases hundreds of thousands of dollars to attend this school, you'd better fucking pay attention to the professor. "Oh, I use it to pad out my writing assignments." Congratulations, you're forming a habit that will literally lead to your firing, sanction, and disbarment. There will come a point where you literally don't know how to do anything else but rely on what a bot tells you. My only solace is that I'm going into the field of litigation, and a bot can't cross-examine a witness, or fight an objection, or voir dire a member of the jury. Great post and it's definitely the educational impact that worries me most. In case there is any doubt, I am not a fan of a lot of what AI does and would love to see it's use heavily restricted? But how? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 7467 Posted November 21 Share Posted November 21 The companies need to be told that they can't scrape other peoples IP for free for a start. That alone would essentially end this version of AI as a prospect, it doesn't make any money anyway, if the companies had to pay to train on peoples work they'd be in the negative in such an enormous way that it'd basically stop overnight. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 15583 Posted November 21 Share Posted November 21 1 minute ago, Andrew said: The companies need to be told that they can't scrape other peoples IP for free for a start. That alone would essentially end this version of AI as a prospect, it doesn't make any money anyway, if the companies had to pay to train on peoples work they'd be in the negative in such an enormous way that it'd basically stop overnight. This, a million times this. It's basically theft, the companies themselves say if they had to pay royalties etc. It'd kill the business, well tough shit !!!! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 7467 Posted November 21 Share Posted November 21 It'd have the added bonus of ending CTs mug empire at the same time. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 15583 Posted November 21 Share Posted November 21 6 minutes ago, Renton said: Great post and it's definitely the educational impact that worries me most. In case there is any doubt, I am not a fan of a lot of what AI does and would love to see it's use heavily restricted? But how? The educational impact is the desired end game IMO a population incapable of critical thought and perfectly malleable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 63171 Posted November 21 Author Share Posted November 21 Was it Zuckerberg's AI that was escaping docs on libgen which is itself a Russian site where you can illegally download books for free. It's bad enough to be nicking people's ideas, never mind doing it from illegal sites. They're probably torrenting the rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 27775 Posted November 21 Share Posted November 21 1 hour ago, Toonpack said: The educational impact is the desired end game IMO a population incapable of critical thought and perfectly malleable. It might be the outcome but I doubt it's planned. We're already there for 90% of people anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 15583 Posted November 21 Share Posted November 21 2 minutes ago, Renton said: It might be the outcome but I doubt it's planned. We're already there for 90% of people anyway. It's been managed that way for years, hence your 90%, everything's been progressively dumbed down, AI is now simply the supercharger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 27775 Posted November 21 Share Posted November 21 So I've just had a fairly long "conversation" with copilot about using receiver operator curves for dichotomous diagnostic tests which I didn't understand (I understood how they are used for tests with continuous thresholds). We "discussed" probability functions and it directed me to several peer reviewed papers on the subject (I always insist on this). I now understand. Reckon it's saved me quite a lot of time. I do this type of learning quite a bit. I have some background knowledge, but there are aspects I don't fully understand or have forgotten. I feel more educated, less ignorant now. Most my peers wouldn't give a shit about this, would just report whatever the paper says without questioning, but in this instance I find AI really useful. Does it just depend how you use it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 27775 Posted November 21 Share Posted November 21 3 minutes ago, Toonpack said: It's been managed that way for years, hence your 90%, everything's been progressively dumbed down, AI is now simply the supercharger. You'll not like this but the boomer generation, 90% of whom never experienced further education, is probably the worst for this so it doesnt back your theory. There is no conspiracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 15583 Posted November 21 Share Posted November 21 17 minutes ago, Renton said: You'll not like this but the boomer generation, 90% of whom never experienced further education, is probably the worst for this so it doesnt back your theory. There is no conspiracy. Christ man, get off your anti-Boomer soapbox for fucksake 🤣🤣 It's becoming pathetic (and not a little disturbing) !! Watch a contemporary documentary, or a news report for that matter, and tell me you don't feel like they're talking to you like you were 12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 15583 Posted November 21 Share Posted November 21 32 minutes ago, Renton said: So I've just had a fairly long "conversation" with copilot about using receiver operator curves for dichotomous diagnostic tests which I didn't understand (I understood how they are used for tests with continuous thresholds). We "discussed" probability functions and it directed me to several peer reviewed papers on the subject (I always insist on this). I now understand. Reckon it's saved me quite a lot of time. I do this type of learning quite a bit. I have some background knowledge, but there are aspects I don't fully understand or have forgotten. I feel more educated, less ignorant now. Most my peers wouldn't give a shit about this, would just report whatever the paper says without questioning, but in this instance I find AI really useful. Does it just depend how you use it? Well bully for you and your saved time, meanwhile it's destroying the planet and killing folks: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 27775 Posted November 21 Share Posted November 21 10 minutes ago, Toonpack said: Christ man, get off your anti-Boomer soapbox for fucksake 🤣🤣 It's becoming pathetic (and not a little disturbing) !! Watch a contemporary documentary, or a news report for that matter, and tell me you don't feel like they're talking to you like you were 12. Thought you'd not like it. Kind of missed the point, but never mind. You continue thinking it's a conspiracy if you like. 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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