Gemmill 62967 Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 36 minutes ago, wykikitoon said: There is no but then If Howe had come out and said the medical team said he needed a rest then fine. You're making an assumption. So So just so we're absolutely clear here, your contention is that Woltemade was perfectly fit to play last night, there had been no discussion with the medical team, and Howe just went "you know what? I fancy another look at Gordon up front against these. He's been dogshit at it so far, but practice makes perfect!" One of us sounds daft here, and it's not me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 12319 Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 Point I'm getting at is it's easy for the masses to lob criticism at the last line of defence - he's been backed by a minority up until this point. His ability with the ball at his feet is questionable at times and can put the fear of god up you, but it's not horrendous. His split-second decision making on the other hand is awful. He needs a reset for his own benefit as much as anything else. The crowd are on his back and every minute error is going to be forensically pulled apart if we continue to select him. Interested to see what PL's view on what it was like last night but my mate who was also there said the feeling towards Pope from his section of the crowd was quite toxic. That's going to help no-one in the long run. Time for Ramsdale for me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayatollah Hermione 17219 Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 Main reason I’d see Pope drop is last night is the kind of mistake that not only destroys his confidence but it’ll bleed onto the back four. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 15508 Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 Yeh I think thats where the second goal came from, shattered confidence, complete collapse. Giving away a needless goal & then getting beat at your near post is a rough 5 minutes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 15506 Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 1 hour ago, wykikitoon said: Also, this is the same medical team that allowed Eddie to keep flogging Trips and Burn? That medical team? There were no alternatives for those two though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 12319 Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 The 2nd goal for me was absolutely class, and I can't put the blame on Pope for that - very few would have been able to react to it, you have to praise what was a brilliantly executed move. His screw up for the first handed them the momentum to go for the 2nd though. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoHelpMeGod 241 Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 Fighting on too many fronts. As obvious as that sounds. We are going to need far more squad depth to keep up at this level. Eddie has not been perfect, but he's working with what he has and rotating the squad, and our rotation options don't even exist in some positions. Lots of work to do but it was clear to me from early on that we were going to struggle last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTF 10527 Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 2 hours ago, Craig said: 2 seasons ago maybe, but we're not getting anywhere near that on his last 6 months. Don't be daft, Gordon is being held back by Howe and Newcastle being a small club. It's just like Isak's last six months with us 😉 not tha players issue, it's all Howe and the inherent limitations of the club. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 28474 Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 22 minutes ago, Gemmill said: So just so we're absolutely clear here, your contention is that Woltemade was perfectly fit to play last night, there had been no discussion with the medical team, and Howe just went "you know what? I fancy another look at Gordon up front against these. He's been dogshit at it so far, but practice makes perfect!" One of us sounds daft here, and it's not me. No, once again you're assuming. We need rotation as I have said countless times. But its 100% clear Gordon is fucking WANK up front and has generally been WANK for months. People getting on Gordon's back for playing out of position need to cool it if he's not performing if the only option is to play him. I would rather we got back to back Prem wins than a win last night tbh. I would have been happy with a point last night. I am like probably 99% of people more fucked off at Pope. We looked like we could have clung on for at least a point last night, or even all three if he hadn't left his brain in the dressing room. What does Eddie do going forward though? We don't have the players in certain positions to continue this 5 at the back and Gordon up front especially away from home. I mean he did it at Leeds FFS. Ultra defensive. Yes we didn't have Wolte then so no choice up front but at the fucking back was mind boggling. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 28474 Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 15 minutes ago, Toonpack said: There were no alternatives for those two though. Correct, but at one point we had Krafth. Even playing him for 20 minutes here and there would have been better than playing Tripper 90 minutes for 3 games a week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 26304 Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 What I don’t get is the completely different mentality away from home. Maybe it’s confidence, maybe it’s Eddie’s tactics but we look a completely different side to the one that plays at SJP. We rarely sit back after taking the lead at home - why do we always invite pressure after doing so away? Yes, there’s mitigation. Last night was far from our strongest side. We’ve been playing Burn and Trippier at full back. Got to hope the way we play away starts to mirror the approach at home once Tino and Hall get up to full fitness. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 12319 Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 7 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: What I don’t get is the completely different mentality away from home. Maybe it’s confidence, maybe it’s Eddie’s tactics but we look a completely different side to the one that plays at SJP. Media aren't helping by calling out our away form. It'll definitely be in the back of their minds that there's a massive disparity between home and away form. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTF 10527 Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 1 minute ago, Craig said: Media aren't helping by calling out our away form. It'll definitely be in the back of their minds that there's a massive disparity between home and away form. After seeing Joelinton trying to draw a fish I'd say that certainly not all of our players would be worried about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrokendoll 14188 Posted November 26 Author Share Posted November 26 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Craig said: Media aren't helping by calling out our away form. It'll definitely be in the back of their minds that there's a massive disparity between home and away form. howay craig. this is nowt to with the media man. shit excuse for them. Edited November 26 by thebrokendoll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 42054 Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 (edited) I think more of a question mark for me is why not rotate the midfield for last night. If Howe doesn’t rate Miley enough to start him then he needs to be replaced. If the same is the case for Ramsey then why did we buy him? Because the amount of running required by Tonali and Bruno on top of playing v Man City isn’t sustainable. Plus Howe was clearly willing to leave other players out. Hindsight and you can understand wanting them in to exert control but I just feel like those two need game time if they are to be genuine rotation options. Edited November 26 by Alex 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 26304 Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 8 minutes ago, Alex said: I’m think more of a question mark for me is why not rotate the midfield for last night. If Howe doesn’t rate Miley enough to start him then he needs to be replaced. If the same is the case for Ramsey then why did we buy him? Because the amount of running required by Tonali and Bruno on top of playing v Man City isn’t sustainable. Plus Howe was clearly willing to leave other players out. Hindsight and you can understand wanting them in to exert control but I just feel like those two need game time if they are to be genuine rotation options. rotation only seems to apply to certain players. it feels like he has favourites who he can't bear to leave out 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 28474 Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 11 minutes ago, Alex said: I think more of a question mark for me is why not rotate the midfield for last night. If Howe doesn’t rate Miley enough to start him then he needs to be replaced. If the same is the case for Ramsey then why did we buy him? Because the amount of running required by Tonali and Bruno on top of playing v Man City isn’t sustainable. Plus Howe was clearly willing to leave other players out. Hindsight and you can understand wanting them in to exert control but I just feel like those two need game time if they are to be genuine rotation options. I think that raised a few eyebrows in the media section listening to the comemntry. I thought Willock had a solid game. He ran his little socks off and broke up play well. Sandro and Bruno looked fucked and its understandable why. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 12319 Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 Aye, if we're going to sustain 4 different competitions, you have to rotate. It's a valid point about Miley - if he's not up to the standard then we need to be letting him go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 26304 Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 16 minutes ago, Craig said: Aye, if we're going to sustain 4 different competitions, you have to rotate. It's a valid point about Miley - if he's not up to the standard then we need to be letting him go. guaranteed to go on to become an england international playing for someone else 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainman 165 Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 (edited) 8 hours ago, PaddockLad said: Kettled by the collaborators' riot police last night, huge crush, loads of lasses and kids caught in it, they were pepper spraying teenagers for fuck all. They were fully worse than last time when one of our lot threw a wheelie bin at the fuckers... Desperate stuff. Decent article attached regarding this, and the generally increasing issues of following english teams abroad... I was treated like an animal by police in Marseille – abuse of English fans in Europe must stop Edited November 26 by trainman 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinRobin 14479 Posted November 27 Share Posted November 27 Unfortunately English fans in Europe have long acted as animals, which doesn't excuse over zealous policing but might explain it. Of course les flic don't mess around at the best of times. 🙁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 15506 Posted November 27 Share Posted November 27 12 hours ago, trainman said: Desperate stuff. Decent article attached regarding this, and the generally increasing issues of following english teams abroad... I was treated like an animal by police in Marseille – abuse of English fans in Europe must stop The French police (riot lads) treat their own no different, this oooh us victimised English fans bollocks is extremely scouse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 22422 Posted November 27 Share Posted November 27 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Toonpack said: The French police (riot lads) treat their own no different, this oooh us victimised English fans bollocks is extremely scouse. Well I think you'll find the French police were "NOTHING SHORT OF A DISGRACE!!!" according to this attention seeking big girls blouse He seems to have taken on a self imposed role of "Experienced NUFC Euro travel guide" . Never mind that those of my vintage have been going abroad to see us since 1994, and lots have followed England abroad for decades as well . Saw Keith Barratt there too, fairly sure he went to Bastia in 1977. Pearson has set himself up as the font of all knowledge though by <checks notes> "reiterating club safety advice then wandering around Marseille after dark with his phone out videoing the locals" 😂 https://x.com/AdamP1242/status/1992668441636192724?t=AsAHkQWHotJ3WmpacDvlQQ&s=19 Edited November 27 by PaddockLad 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 62967 Posted November 27 Share Posted November 27 https://www.newcastleunited.com/en/news/statement-visiting-supporters-at-stade-veledrome Club statement about the treatment of fans. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrokendoll 14188 Posted November 27 Author Share Posted November 27 14 minutes ago, Gemmill said: https://www.newcastleunited.com/en/news/statement-visiting-supporters-at-stade-veledrome Club statement about the treatment of fans. like the french police will give a flying fuck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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