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Exactly.

As TBD says…”have we signed any cunt yet?”

How the fuck is it old peoples fault that young people won't vote 😂😂😂

Fuck sake. What generation was running these corporations? They weren't running themselves. The hole in the ozone layer was discovered in 1985. It took til 2010 to ban CFCs. I suppose it was the youth of the 90s who resisted for those 25 years? And aye, you had kids in the 80s but I bet you were living in a house you had a £5k mortgage on. Not your fault, but a simple fact that housing was relatively incredibly cheap back then. Whether you like it or not, this is the things kids today feel resentful for, and they get the "bloody snowflakes!" treatment. Anyway I get enough of this shit from my mam, BOOMER. Away with you.

Politicians, media, old people.

Who's fucking fault is that ??? On the WFA, I am lucky in that I don't need it, but who stoked the uproar. It's all fucking manipulation, all of it. Edit - the absolute numbers are absolutely important, if more younger folks voted Tory than old folks did the point about the old keep (kept) the torries in power is moot. I don't know the answer but I'll do some digging tomorrow when I'll be on the ole PC and see what it looks like. I'll work over/under 60 (Boomer limit).

The majority of people who don't turn out to vote are the youngest demographics, who's fault is that ?? Christ, for most of my life I've been politically disengaged because with FPP for as long as Ican remeber my vote doesn't really count, I will vote for whoever can beat the Tory (but not reform obvs.) I'd vote green if it would make a difference, but it won't.

I'm not sure the absolute numbers are the most important here, but older people are more likely to vote so that gives them disproportionate weight. Often they are ferried in by the local conservative party around here. Which is obviously fair enough, although I can understand younger voters feeling disenfranchised. I'm not giving them pelters. I mean, the uproar over WFA. Meanwhile, families with young children on the bread line get fuck all. Don't they need to be kept warm? I don't recall many pensioners pointing this out.

Bollocks

Erm it's the corporations and the markets same as it was with the mill owners and the coal barrons etc etc, it's not some specific age group of the population. As for the 80's I was newly married, had kids in the 80's in the days when pregnant women left work to have kids and you went down to one wage and made do/struggled through, and childcare was unheard of. I certainly had no income to indulge in disposable consumerism even if I could find it and I didn't know anyone who could. Climate change wasn't a thing you even heard about until into the 2000's. The first thing I recall about the environment was the "hole in the ozone layer" stuff and CFC's - they weren't banned globally until 2010. The climate sceptics I am aware of (in my local) are way younger than me btw they also happen to be brexity, reform or torries so I have learned to avoid them.

No, the people who should get pelters are the career politicians and the people who've made that a career path towards the after dinner speaking circuit and sitting around the boardroom table of the companies who've benefited most from their politicking. The people who aren't voting, aren't voting because they're disengaged from politics. That's the media, that's the politicians and that's the actions of the elderly and ifirm.

for example, i used to wear CND badges. i now accept that nuclear weapons act as a deterrent. how fucking sad is that

yeah, totally. i used to be an idealistic socialist in my youth, but the the slow creep to centrist dad is real.

Absolutely nailed!

Who gives a fuck

On a slightly different topic; they say say you get more right wing as you get older so I wonder if I'll be right-wing in 20 years? Grumbling on about Foreigners stealing our jobs and benefit fraud etc etc My mother has already shifted that way albeit since my Dad died she has slowly lost her way.

Trafford sounds some way off.

What's the geographic distribution, I'd get extremely vexxed if you lump me in with codger cunts from Hertfordshire. Additionally what's the population number for each age band ? I'm guessing there's more folks under 60 voted for the tories than the over 60's. All that said, the people who should be getting pelters are those don't vote.

That's more palatable. Have the knockout teams play their regional rivals, so you have less distance to travel and more of a local rivalry. Then you end up with the 'best' team from North America, South America, Asia, Europe, Africa, Oceania. You could feasibly split Europe and South America into regions so they may have more than one team reach the finals with 8 teams. And fuck this over 4 years qualification crap, just have it so that only the season prior to the tournament impacts qualification so you get the best teams at that point in time only.

That was Thatcher - carried out in tandem with Reagan. https://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/apr/15/neoliberalism-ideology-problem-george-monbiot Neoliberalism sees competition as the defining characteristic of human relations. It redefines citizens as consumers, whose democratic choices are best exercised by buying and selling, a process that rewards merit and punishes inefficiency. It maintains that “the market” delivers benefits that could never be achieved by planning.

Oh come on. Really? All those things happened in the 80s. The tellys, kitchen gadgets, foreign holidays, Bigg market clobber etc. Okay, not phones as they weren't invented, but id say people keep their phones much longer than they did in the early days. But we're all guilty of it anyway, it's just wrong to pin consumerism with the young who were bought up by the previous generation anyway. You're being too defensive. Its not all older people. But there is a sizable demographic that not only have massively benefitted from when they were born, particularly in regards to education, housing, and pensions, but actively sneer at the young in precisely the way Fish has described.

Ok well let's say you're right. You're not, and I'm absolutely blown away that you lived through the 80s and don't think that that was a decade of rampant disposable consumerism. But let's say you're right and it started in the 90s. Who is benefitting from that rampant, disposable consumerism? By which I mean who is profiting. Who is the driving force behind designed obsolescence? Who is making money from turning everyone into consumers and convincing them that they need the next thing now. It's not the youth of today or even the youth of the 90s. It's fucking boomers. They're the ones getting rich off it and they are (largely) the ones who have resisted every call to say "lads we're completely fucking the planet here, can we maybe think about not doing this".

Source? Because I reckon (as a boomer) that's utter bollocks. We never had new trainers every 5 minutes, disposable cheap fashion shite, new phone every year, didn't even have a fucking phone. Designed obsolescence wasn't a thing until I'd heard of until the 90's.

When I'm 75 I'll just be asking a younger person who they would want me to vote for and go with that.