Renton

I'm surprised you all think like this to be honest. It's no different to people who buy any other investment that gives them pleasure. Like a cellar full of wine you'll probably never drink. Or paintings that live in vaults. Many of the fine electric guitars from the 50s and 60s are now "too" valuable to play and many just get put into glass cases in Hard Rock Cafes and rich Japanese businessmens' apartments. I don't share the enthusiasm for these toys but I can imagine if they make you happy you could get into spending your money on them. 86475[/snapback] I can understand your point, but the things you mention are a bit different surely, works of art and even rare guitars and bottles of wine are unique whereas these are just mass produced bits of plastic that happen to be valuable because some sad fucker has kept in the box. You collect them, don't you? 86483[/snapback] Accrington Stanley!

Yep, depends on the altitude, but you would be conscious for some time (even in Space you are), and what's more you would have a good chance of regaining consiousness as you reached lower altitudes falling to Earth.... Besides, many planes on short-haul don't fly that high. Don't forget you can survive for hours on the summit of Everest without oxygen (28000 foot up). I'm sorry, but most people who die in plane crashes suffer unimaginable psychological trauma as they wait to die. Good job it's so rare! 86476[/snapback] No evidence for psychological trauma that I've seen - pehaps you can enlighten us with a source? And those who get to the top of Everest have walked there over a month - not shot up from Woolsington in 10 minutes. Even on short flights within the UK they go up to ++ 30,000 ft 86481[/snapback] What type of evidence of psychological trauma do you want man? Looks of horror plastered on the faces of the deceased? Of course unless death is instant people are going to be psycholgically traumatised - I was shook up by an explosion on the ground once! If you are faced with the possibility the plane is going to crash you will shit your pants literally. As for domestic flights, I got a flight to Dublin recently which cruised at 18000 feet and another to Bristol which levelled out at 24000.

Yep, depends on the altitude, but you would be conscious for some time (even in Space you are), and what's more you would have a good chance of regaining consiousness as you reached lower altitudes falling to Earth.... Besides, many planes on short-haul don't fly that high. Don't forget you can survive for hours on the summit of Everest without oxygen (28000 foot up). I'm sorry, but most people who die in plane crashes suffer unimaginable psychological trauma as they wait to die. Good job it's so rare!

Global warming = more sweat = more showers = golbal warming. It's a vicious cycle.

And you know this how? Previous life? 86269[/snapback] Buy "Flight" magazine (its weekly) - every 6 months they publish a full list of stats and details of all accidents for every plane that is commercial - easy really or http://www.planecrashinfo.com/cause.htm 86277[/snapback] OK, here's one for you... TWA plane that crashed off Long Island during the '96 Olympics. Brought down simply because the plane had been left on the apron too long with the air conditioning system left on. The aircon system heated the fuel in the centre tank to flash point and a short caused by the shoddy insulation on the wiring loom caused a spark and the fuel exploded. It resulted in a fracture which caused the nose to detatch and the plane literally fly for another half mile without a front section before it stalled and crashed...... You telling me those people felt nowt! 86286[/snapback] aye that was an odd one - it was one of number of ex Iran Air Force 747's that TWA bought - funnily enough the Iranian Air Force had one blow up out of Tehran in the same way And if the nose comes off at 38,000 feet the drop in cabin pressure would cause everyone to pass out immediately - and its also bloody cold as well 86445[/snapback] I'm not sure that depressurisation would cause everyone to pass out immediately tbh - that's what they like you to think. But certainly it is undeniable that many crashes result in prolonged mental or physical suffering. As Ian McEwan wrote in a recent book, one of the things you would be aware of on a plane during a major incident would be the increasingly nauseaous smell of shit as people involuntarily emptied their bowels.....

Greece in May. Although... I aint getting on no plane foo'! 86439[/snapback] How come? Are you sailing there?

Actually, I withdraw that comment that he blames everything on the Chronicle. He also blames injuries, referees, lady luck and lack of funds for our failure. But the dressing room is GREAT TM. But upsetting the players with negative comments after the Wigan game is a major reason for our decline apparently.

Well maybe, but he hardly strikes me as a manager who cares about the club any more, that's my point. Btw in the program notes he literally blames EVERYTHING on the media and says we will never have success as long as the Chronicle is trying to destroy the club.

Yes, that's exactly what I think he's doing. He knows his time is up and there is almost no chance we can get into Europe and his contract will be renewed, and he probably even realises relegation is a possibility. So why hang around? Much easier to get paid off. Listen, it goes without saying that a person's family is the most important thing in their lives for most people. But what other manager bandies it around like Souness, making it plain managing Newcastle is just an ordinary job for him? Read his recent program notes - he's blatently taking the piss and I don't think he gives a shit about results any more. Like I said he is a complete arsehole in my opinion who is only interested in the money now.

No, sky asked him. Why does Souness think we want to know this shite.....Alex you've left your thinking cap at home today mate 86429[/snapback] Oh, you know Sky asked him do you? OK I take your point about Souness talking to the press about stories like this which clearly have no relevance to NUFC and are probably just an attempt to deflect some of flak he's receiving. I still fail to see what it has to do with Bellamy though. 86430[/snapback] He's coming out with this shit because he's taking the piss and looking for his payoff. The man is a complete wanker.

Erm... http://www.toontastic.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=3706

A bit o/t but one thing that makes me nauseous in the mornings is the sight of pigeons eating last night's stale sick....

And you know this how? Previous life? 86269[/snapback] Buy "Flight" magazine (its weekly) - every 6 months they publish a full list of stats and details of all accidents for every plane that is commercial - easy really or http://www.planecrashinfo.com/cause.htm 86277[/snapback] OK, here's one for you... TWA plane that crashed off Long Island during the '96 Olympics. Brought down simply because the plane had been left on the apron too long with the air conditioning system left on. The aircon system heated the fuel in the centre tank to flash point and a short caused by the shoddy insulation on the wiring loom caused a spark and the fuel exploded. It resulted in a fracture which caused the nose to detatch and the plane literally fly for another half mile without a front section before it stalled and crashed...... You telling me those people felt nowt! 86286[/snapback] I heve heard it verified that when a plane explodes in mid air, many of the passengers will be alive and conscious as they fall to Earth, knowing they are going to die. Then there's burning to death during a crashed landing, etc. In actual fact, they take into account the amount of suffering the person is likely to have felt when compensation claims to relatives are made. In the afore-mentioned 15 minutes upside down horror, the relatives of the dead were paid millions. 86293[/snapback] You don't feel a thing mate. Rob read it in a Dickin's novel 86300[/snapback] Perhaps Rob works for an insurance company. "Mrs Smith, your husband didn't feel a thing, honest. Here's 20 quid. "

Jesus weptafragilisticexpialidocious tbh. 86221[/snapback] seconded.... Renton man, how many times have you been banging on about how Luque fails to hit the net! 86243[/snapback] Btw, I haven't really commented much on Luque's performances, I think the answer to your question is never.

And you know this how? Previous life? 86269[/snapback] Buy "Flight" magazine (its weekly) - every 6 months they publish a full list of stats and details of all accidents for every plane that is commercial - easy really or http://www.planecrashinfo.com/cause.htm 86277[/snapback] OK, here's one for you... TWA plane that crashed off Long Island during the '96 Olympics. Brought down simply because the plane had been left on the apron too long with the air conditioning system left on. The aircon system heated the fuel in the centre tank to flash point and a short caused by the shoddy insulation on the wiring loom caused a spark and the fuel exploded. It resulted in a fracture which caused the nose to detatch and the plane literally fly for another half mile without a front section before it stalled and crashed...... You telling me those people felt nowt! 86286[/snapback] I heve heard it verified that when a plane explodes in mid air, many of the passengers will be alive and conscious as they fall to Earth, knowing they are going to die. Then there's burning to death during a crashed landing, etc. In actual fact, they take into account the amount of suffering the person is likely to have felt when compensation claims to relatives are made. In the afore-mentioned 15 minutes upside down horror, the relatives of the dead were paid millions.

He sounds like a right loser. Blokes like that can actually have girlfriends?? 86275[/snapback] Think she took pity on him cos he's only small (she likes small men) altho he didn't take too kindly to being called Yoda........was only joking 86276[/snapback] He doesn't post on message boards using the username Papa Lazaru does he?

There was a plane a few years ago in America that lost a section of it's tail and flew upside down for 15 minutes before eventually crashing and killing all on board. To compound matters, I have heard when the body is stressed like this time goes into slow motion "survival mode" and it would have felt like hours to the victims. Horrendous. 86247[/snapback] Renton, I think you're referring to the plane which crashed over Queens a couple of months after 9/11, which lost its rudder, inverted, stalled and crashed. If you are, then I don't know where you dreamed this 15 minutes thing up, there was a program about it on the Discovery channel the other night and the plane was down within 90 seconds of losing the rudder.... 86258[/snapback] I'm referring to a completely different plane crash a decade before actually.

Car crash isn't gonna get you on the news though, is it? 86256[/snapback] I'd much rather boast about being killed in a plane crash: FACT!

There was a plane a few years ago in America that lost a section of it's tail and flew upside down for 15 minutes before eventually crashing and killing all on board. To compound matters, I have heard when the body is stressed like this time goes into slow motion "survival mode" and it would have felt like hours to the victims. Horrendous.

Usually these things are practically worthless unless they have never been opened. Anybody that is willing to pay several grand for a plastic star wars figure needs to be committed imo. 86011[/snapback] See Toy Story II 86171[/snapback] Of course, unboxed magically animated toy cowboys are worth considerably more.

I read something but wasn't sure it was adressed to me. Are you saying Boumsong wasn't Souness's signing or something? If so, I disagree. 86182[/snapback] Read the article (and then your quote, which was included in the post so quite how you weren't sure if it was for you is beyond me, again then!) You said Robson was linked with him but wasn't interested. Yet that article states that we had a £3.8m bid for J-A-B turned down the weekend for SBR was sacked! Now either Robson was being allowed to bid for players 2 days before he was sacked (and thus proving that FS fucked up and sacked Robson on a whim) or Shepherd himself made the bid.... Souness did indeed sign him, I never disputed that - if you recall my initial point (which you said was wrong) was that we approached Rangers for Boumsong before we sacked Bobby!! 86188[/snapback] OK, so Robson might have been interested in Bounsong as a second choice defender when Woodgate was sold under his nose and there was literally only days left to go before the transfer market closed. So what? 86195[/snapback] So what?? *cough* No, Bobby didn't want him even for free. 85707[/snapback] You was wrong.....nerrrr! 86218[/snapback] Sheesh, if it makes you happy! Mind you, I maintain he didn't want him while we had Woodgate, and still preferred this Bilbo Baggins character from Celtic.

I don't get it.

Yes, but not replacing him was stupid. Eventually replacing him with Boumsong (whoever signed him) was even more stupid. I'd rather have Woodgate now than Boumsong, even if he only plays a third of games.

I read something but wasn't sure it was adressed to me. Are you saying Boumsong wasn't Souness's signing or something? If so, I disagree. 86182[/snapback] Read the article (and then your quote, which was included in the post so quite how you weren't sure if it was for you is beyond me, again then!) You said Robson was linked with him but wasn't interested. Yet that article states that we had a £3.8m bid for J-A-B turned down the weekend for SBR was sacked! Now either Robson was being allowed to bid for players 2 days before he was sacked (and thus proving that FS fucked up and sacked Robson on a whim) or Shepherd himself made the bid.... Souness did indeed sign him, I never disputed that - if you recall my initial point (which you said was wrong) was that we approached Rangers for Boumsong before we sacked Bobby!! 86188[/snapback] OK, so Robson might have been interested in Bounsong as a second choice defender when Woodgate was sold under his nose and there was literally only days left to go before the transfer market closed. So what?