Alex

Preferred this one:

I think that the only meaning behind punk as a movement was its do it yourself ethos. Which, to be fair, lives on.

We wouldn't pay their wages but I would go for it other than that. Whether they'd come or not is another matter

My anthem tbh

Would have Enrique back in a shot

Hasn't Turkey got something like 2 million refugees there? That's a bit more of a crisis.

Like it would've been ok if the lion wasn't famous. What an utter cunt

The Pistols were only one band though. Influential, aye, but probably not that lasting a legacy beyond these shores and loads of other people got there first. There was a lot of revisionism with all the masterplan stuff behind the Pistols. If McLaren and co were that clever they'd have come up with more than one decent LP tbh.

I wouldn't know about the present in all honesty. I was really arguing against the notion in was dead by the mid 90s. I hear a canny bit of new stuff but it's more the retro stuff that turns me on but I also accept that's an age thing.

I think it's irrelevant because they can only play until 7 which is what they can do anyway light permitting because of the lost overs yesterday. Don't quote me on that like

Loads of overs left in the day's play as well.

Yeah but that's you applying a bizarre standard to it iyam. Go back to about 1991 and you had Simon Bates playing sloppy shite on Radio 1. Does that mean it was culturally dead then? I still don't know what the fuck that means btw. But the output on Radio 1 is just what the people running it decide they want the station to be at any given time. You'd be better off checking out Radio 6 on a Saturday night tbh. And you're also coming at it from 20 years down the line. We're old farts. Charts have totally changed too. As has the way people listen to and obtain music so the comparison is unfair.

To be fair Simon Jones was almost as big a miss for England as McGrath was for them.

It was ridiculous that series. All the more special because that Aussie side was one of the greatest

What do you mean by 'culturally dead'?

The point is the scene was still there in the mid-90s with the same attitude etc. it had just splintered so you had to look a bit harder. Don't assume the superclubs with their door policies were the be all and end all. Jeremy Healy btw. He was the opposite end of the scale. I wasn't averse to going clubbing but people like DiY, Universe, Megatripolis etc. were doing stuff that was nothing like the more mainstream places. There was, by coincidence a big rave scene in Leicestershire at that time where there were loads of free parties taking place because the local plod had a policy of not enforcing the Criminal Justice Act unless there were other reasons to close the parties down (residential areas etc). There was loads going on. I do think it gets a bit daft when you try to say a movement like Rave or Punk has lost its original spirit or attitude or whatever though because you need to define what that was in the first place which is virtually impossible.

It wasn't just that by then. Aye, the superclubs were massive etc. but legal (and illegal) raves were alive and kicking. The underground music scene was still vibrant, there were clubs which were underground and them, along with the aforementioned raves were a million miles from places like Cream. Have you been to these places you're critiquing btw? Because I was there and I know what I'm talking about.

You were arguing it was as dead as punk by the mid 90s. It wasn't in any way, shape or form.

That might be your opinion but it doesn't tally with reality.

I still feel a bit like the game's in the balance. Which is funny because if the shoe was on the other foot, I'd assume it was all over. Comes from a lifetime of supporting England I suppose.

Make sure you get there early, Gloomo

Can't believe no one has asked if the dumplings come coated in fanny batter.