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I'm originally from Harrogate but my grandparents are from the NE. I hated football as a young lad, but my best mates dad had to move down from the toon for his job and used to take us both up to watch the matches with him every single game. Newcastle were shit back then, but it was great crack and atmosphere so it gave me the bug. I've been year on year ever since, apart from my years overseas. Funny as Leeds fans were all around me and I used to get so much shit for not being a Leeds fan, they were doing well too. Now when I'm in toon I get the same shit in reverse . Keegans a Yorkshire Geordie though, so I take solace in that Now I'm going to be even further away in the Caribbean but "fakegeordie" reckons he's never missed a match out there. So for me. Newcastle wasn't a choice , it was a way of life, I like to think it still is. It's far and away the best city I've lived in , in the UK too. (Sydney aus and Vancouver Canada, beats it just by a margin, for me)

Playing it on the floor to midfield then passing it across midfield and whacking it up 30 yards does not mean playing it on the floor to me. But I'm an argumentative cunt today.

So we don't get revenue from any other source? No tv money, selling on fees, tickets etc? Its a pretty good setup he's got. I'm not saying your full of shit, I just find it hard to believe that stat Happy Face, though I know its right.. it just feels the complete opposite. Like he's spending. But on his low cost to sell on high value players. Cabaye sale will fudge those figures by 10 mil if he sells for 15 tomorrow, then it will be 25 mil plus the tv money .

Oh we're starting from scratch aren't we? Why the fuck else would they be actually physically going overseas if they hadn't got anything on. I'm pretty sure abramovich or his guys didn't fly off to fucking Brazil to speak to Oscars agent. Its a fucking mockery.

We don't know anything really though. We cant be sure he doesn't want to play, he could have been instructed not to. No one will ever know the truth about carrolls move, but it sure as hell isn't like either side tell it.

How much income do you think he's going to make this year and last for the club? I know he's got loans to himself to repay right now, but it wont be forever. If he can continue to bring in his green players, put a purple tag on them and sell at 100% mark up, once his debt is repaid do you think he'll turn his back on that? Look at cabaye, he's turned down a 100% mark up for him already wanting more, he cant get that sort of margin in his shitty shops.

I don't get how the first and second statements aren't contradictory. And 86p of every pound Happy Face- WHATWHATWHAT? My horrible thought is that he wont ever leave us until the FA or someone regulates this somehow. If he sees he can pull in 50 mil or so a year, he will stay and continue on this tact. Its pretty obvious its all about the money for him, why would that change? This rich owner thing is fine when they are plowing money in, but no other club has an owner who's intention is to rake it in. Even rich owners ploughing money in as a problem I reckon, as its anti competitive and against the spirit of the sport) If he did this tactic a bit more steadily, he could cream 10-20 mil out of us year on year

I hear what you are saying, but le' hoofball isn't quite the same as long ball. I saw loads of attempts to play the unpassable passes over 30-40 yards, now that's what I call hoofball. To be fair tho, they didn't have much option other to. Reminds me of England in capellos reign, 2 nice passes then a silly long one (in competitive matches , they were fine in friendlies, unlike us)

I'm sure he will, he looks a class act to me, if he can keep that Gallic flair under control

Pardew did have them playing well and got thanked by selling Carroll for 35 and getting fuck all back really. Being devil's advocate, how much do you think its a case of : All new players been fed BS when they arrive and seeing its just a swapshop. I can well see Ashley spinning yarns promising investment and a growing club to them, then they see different. Pardew has had the rug pulled out from under him in so many different ways I bet he's totally fucked off too. Keegan, Houghton and anyone else who's touched us have all been undermined by the owner. Keegan, Houghton and pardew have all made statements along the lines of "I'm guaranteed a signing soon, or I've been assured we are buying this window" just to have his strongest players sold. It all lands at ashleys feet, he made Keegan look shit, shat all over the man who returned us to the premiership and now is making a clown of his new manager too. I have a lot of sympathy for the players and manager.

Bit off topic, but what a bargain rob Elliot was! Unless that's a typo. Also, Enrique was sold cheaply given how he's developed at liverpool

He made a complete twat of himself last night, but all our players looked fired up in a frustration kind of way. I still think he's good enough for the league, but perhaps 3rd choice centre back for us, he's leagues ahead of willo , for example.

Agree totally Happy Face, why the fuck we keep playing good players out of position is beyond me. It damages them, and takes them out of their comfort zone completely, Sissoko, Arfa, Mbwia, Anita, Tiote, the list just goes on of Pards trying to make people "Total Football" when they are still learning the league and their trade. We seem to have a redevelopment policy, not development. That said, if Ashley doesn't sanction buying players for the positions he needs wtf is he supposed to do. Probably in a minority but I have sympathy for Pardew at the moment, and for most of last year, hes getting fucked over by lack of resources. I always thought Pardew had potential if only he got time to learn a good style for NUFC, hes got no chance with a skeleton squad and the rug pulled out from his feet every six months. Finally, on topic, I thought we did have a defensive strategy, build from the back, defensive work from forwards etc - problem is we are shit at it. Krul was legend last night, the City fans thought he was mint, they also had good things to say of sissoko, but I didn't think he actually played as well as he could last night, seemed tired.

Vossen is fucking special man, really special. But he wont come, hes turned down loads of clubs over the years (my mate at work was a massive fan of his)

Bang on, nothing more depressing for me than seeing toon fans recycle Ashleys BS propaganda. "spending the Cabaye money" ffs... sure mate, sure.... Bringing up Carroll is too true too, I think we've done it with every player we've bloody sold, we have no chance of seeing them re-invest even 50% of it. Lets no mention the tv money ey.

For as long as it looks like he can turn a profit in the long run. For a football club, we've generated a lot of cash with minimum expenditure. We do have him to thank for avoiding administration, but he's using the same fiscal approach even now its not possible. I seriously can't see him going :/

yup, I thought that as soon as we started colour coding them all those years ago. That said, nufc.com is saying we're buying 2 , so I might have to eat my own arse.

Happy face is dead on and I reckon the likes of sissoko, Anita and mbwia are all in the same boat. Expecting non premiership players to make impacts in the first season is a bit much, unless they are strikers. These 25 mil players might be premiership ready, but most aren't. On topic, uff what a bag of shite. The players all just looked really frustrated and angry all game, seems they feel the same as most of us. Somethings got to give.

Lets go easy, this might be on club orders, we all know how Ashley deals with players when he sees a sale. No way he's going for 10 though. Does make me wonder if those rumours of him leading a players revolt last year were true . Desmond , for the love of god change that avatar , who is that anyway?

Ah you understate your research skills.

Well, before the match I reckon you might be dead on for cabaye, sadly for the wrong reasons tho, as he has an arsenal move to play for

Jonas is out, so who knows maybe CT will get his wish

Ok explain this then. http://www.companiesintheuk.co.uk/ltd/mash-(uk)-holdings Seriously, mikes business engine has only 100 quid capital? This isn't much different to what I'm saying mikes doing with nufc either : http://news.sky.com/story/1100798/vodafone-earns-5bn-but-pays-no-corporation-tax But even if you do things right, there's nothing a few posh meals with the head of hmrc cant put right

Now there's something we can agree on, they are. MASH is a LTD not a PLC, so the only thing that needs to be "disclosed" is the annual return, right? There are NO shareholders, its a private Class 1 share , all of them to Ashley. Look up Vodafone and see what happened there, its almos identical to the abuse I'm highlighting and they are all doing it. The gov't excuse is that they are wealth and job generators and would go elsewhere. In my time as a company director,ive learnt that tax is basically an honesty / morality policy for anyone other than paye staff. Apologies for once again derailing a thread for a tax argument

Mash holdings owns puma or some shit like that too though doesn't it? If he's the only share holder then he does profit from savings on Corp tax because he gets a big divvy right? These subsidiaries are individual businesses in their own right, like nufc, sd are. I believe he owns the following brands too, which he will spread any profit through in similar manners, e.g: (I could be wrong on some of these) Donny, liillywhites, karrimor, Dunlop, Slazenger, puma (shirt deal anyone?), kangol, Lonsdale, a majority in umbro, the list probably goes on. Most of these ar leveraged through deals with MASH for exclusivity rights, again masking profit as investment. I'd like to continue but I do know I could just be super suspicious, but if be very very surprised if this isn't what's going on. Umbro and nufc next is my bet.