Kitman

I think any manager thrown into that situation was going to struggle. Not making excuses for him but he needs time to learn his trade. Whether he should be doing that with us is a moot point of course.....the question is whether in the long term the gamble's on him worth taking. At this point in our history I think it is.

I'm trying to stay positive. Let's see how it pans out, eh

As more time slips by......

It's make up your own story time judging by the Sunday papers

It was only a matter of time I suppose

Not too wide of the mark I fear

I've given up trying to guess what's going to happen with this lot. The truth usually turns out to be stranger than fiction. Odd that the press are fixated by a small Championship club, mind.

Wasn't he injured all the time when we had him?

No one said that one manager was going to do, as someone else has said in this thread we wanted progression, even if it was from 13th to 12th. Under Allardyce we were going backwards at an alarming rate. By the by, WE realised football had changed, WE realised we needed a change from top to tail, followed by a periood of stability, investment in youth and a scouting system of note, we knew we needed to stop buying players just for their name, we knew all of this, unfortunately WE don't get to make the decisons, that falls to the mororns at the top. A back line hasn't always been poor and he did more to make it pourous than many others. Robson and Keegans (neither defensively minded) had better defence than your Fat Sam, we didn't have steel we had thugs, whats the point in a steely midfielder when he can't pass the ball once he's got it? Just as you're saying it's harsh of us to judge him after so few games,it's madness for you to think he'd have done any better if he'd stayed. 9 points from a possible 36. That's relegation form. So Newcastle United or Blackburn will never again challenge for the title? Fuck off. If it takes a decade or it take four I'll still be cheering us on. I'm quite happy to take the long view mate, but it seems you aren't You might be content with a top ten place, but that's not enough I want more. I want glory. If that means waiting until I'm 65, then so-fucking-be it. I wonder, do you have an opinion of your own, or do you just use Sky Sports? Barely watch Sky Sports except for the actual matches, and even then you can never take a panel with Jamie Redknapp on it very seriously. 9 points from a possible 36 - I guarantee you I can pick out a good third of the league who will have similar runs next season. It's a very poor run of form but you can't sack a manager for a poor run of form, especially when you weren't in any imminent danger of relegation. He'd picked up 15 points from his first 9 for a team that had finished 5 points from relegation the season before, or do those games not count in your overall assessment? You weren't going backwards under Sam, if you went backwards from 5 points from the drop you wouldve been around the drop zone at that point. It's complete madness to think he wouldve been relegated that season, whereas to think a manager who has got good results at his other two clubs (and who had started the season well with Newcastle) mightve made things better is perfectly reasonable thinking. If you'd seen the team play week in week out, you'd know what a load of bollocks this statto stuff is.

Mate, you won't get much patience on here if you start repeating stereotypes put about by the press. If you speak to grass root fans, not the mongs on Sky Sports, you'll find that most people don't want champagne football or anything approaching it and there's no expectation of winning things. We want stability, an owner who invests and a team that shows progress year on year. Sam's football was quite simply appalling to watch. The team showed none of his supposed virtues and was clearly going backwards. His Bolton teams could mix it up between long and short football, were agggressive and well organised. Our team played hoof ball, was badly organised, the set pieces were a joke, couldn't score, couldn't keep the ball, leaked goals for fun, was dispirited and went to places like Derby aiming not to lose and failing. Sam was totally out of his depth and responded by bullshitting and making excuses. He had clearly lost the dressing room, training was acknowledged by the players to be a shambles and there were complaints of lack of fitness. We still had injury problems depsite his legion of assistants. He had a terrible record against the weaker teams in the league, the majority of which we'd played by the time he was sacked with the difficult games to go. It's not fanciful at all to say we would have been relegated under his watch and he would have been sacked imo by most clubs. I understand how things look to the outsider but you honestly don't understand just how bad things were under his leadership. I'd bet you didn't watch most of the matches at the time. Giving him more time wouldn't have solved a thing. He was hopelessy out of his depth and had given up by the time he got the bullet. You weren't far from relegation the season previous to that. If he had a terrible record against the weaker teams in the league, did he have a decent record against the stronger teams in the league? Only he left you in 11th place. He must have done decent against one set of teams. After Sam left you had 19 games left. These included games against Bolton, Boro, Rovers, Birmingham, Fulham, Spurs (who were in massive decline), Reading, Portsmouth, Sunderland and West Ham. Under Sam you would have picked up 11 points from those 10 games alone to get the 37 needed for safety that year, let alone the matches against the top 6 teams where you mightve scraped a point or two. You would not have got relegated that season under Sam, and yet you sacked him when you desperately needed stability. No, we started the season well against the weaker teams and then went on a terrible run which culminated in his sacking. I can't be arsed to look up the exact stats but I assume it's the 9 points from 12 games one mentioned. The point is we were in a tailspin which he couldn't climb out of. We had the momentum of a relegation side, which we know all about from this season - your comment about getting 11 points from 10 games is the sort of guff people have come out with this season. To be frank he never showed any signs of hacking it at NUFC. Maybe he will at Rovers I don't know. But he offered us no stability at all, the football was terrible, his signings were shit, he'd lost the dressing room. I hope for your sake he does better for you but I was glad to see the back of him at the time. As it turns out you're quite correct to say we could have done much worse because we did. That 's not to say he was going to be any good for us, we've seen the evidence. Bolton and Newcastle are different clubs, however you try to paint it and it's not because of deluded fans.

You're just talking bollocks now. Did you read any of my post? Big Sam wasn't offering any sort of stability, we were going down the plug hole fast and he'd obviously thrown the towel in. There was no 'Big Sam Out' campaign by the way, he was sacked by the new owner.

Mate, you won't get much patience on here if you start repeating stereotypes put about by the press. If you speak to grass root fans, not the mongs on Sky Sports, you'll find that most people don't want champagne football or anything approaching it and there's no expectation of winning things. We want stability, an owner who invests and a team that shows progress year on year. Sam's football was quite simply appalling to watch. The team showed none of his supposed virtues and was clearly going backwards. His Bolton teams could mix it up between long and short football, were agggressive and well organised. Our team played hoof ball, was badly organised, the set pieces were a joke, couldn't score, couldn't keep the ball, leaked goals for fun, was dispirited and went to places like Derby aiming not to lose and failing. Sam was totally out of his depth and responded by bullshitting and making excuses. He had clearly lost the dressing room, training was acknowledged by the players to be a shambles and there were complaints of lack of fitness. We still had injury problems depsite his legion of assistants. He had a terrible record against the weaker teams in the league, the majority of which we'd played by the time he was sacked with the difficult games to go. It's not fanciful at all to say we would have been relegated under his watch and he would have been sacked imo by most clubs. I understand how things look to the outsider but you honestly don't understand just how bad things were under his leadership. I'd bet you didn't watch most of the matches at the time. Giving him more time wouldn't have solved a thing. He was hopelessy out of his depth and had given up by the time he got the bullet.

should we care if he stays?

Reminds me of...

only another seven rounds to win it then

I thought this thread was about sheep. Imagine my disappointment.

Hoy him out. Let him take a wage cut if he agrees with the move, he's not been worth 6,000 quid a week let alone 60,000.

Bruce is a Man U loving turd, always has been. I can't stand him for loads of different reasons, never have, he's where he belongs now. Delighted this closes the door on him ever managing us and I expect he'll pipe down now about his "love" for us.

Fooked as things stand. But things might change. [clutching at straws]

Until he put together a 5 year plan and appointed his ace casino manager to run the club in his absence

No point in wallowing in the past. Appallingly written OP by the way.

Runny eggs, sausage, chips for me with HP sauce. All of which are available in NZ, only the sausages are generally gash.

Depressing. We can't afford to hang around.

Adams would be a bonkers choice. When he was at Portsmouth he reminded me of Blakey from On The Buses, and managed like him too from all accounts.

Two million seems a bit high for Ameobi. Mind you a round of drinks and 20 Rothmans seems a bit high for Ameobi tbh.