TheInspiration

Not joking. Even if it is GCSE standard poetry, it can still be deep and meaningful, and besides some GCSE poetry is very famous and impressive, no? I'm sure you like bands where the song-writer isn't a poetic genius, but can still write good lyrics.

Which site was it you used to search "thrash metal" then?

It's metaphorical, as I've said. You'd probably be right if the meaning was right on the surface. But that is an example of "deep and meaningful" lyrics.

It's not so much that I think it's all thrash metal or cock rock, just that it's all noisy shit. I hate the fact it is so hackneyed and cliched. The guitars are used to ridiculous excess, killing the melody in the process, and the lyrics are banal and almost always stereotyped (can't think of a single good lyrical song). Then there's the utterly ridiculous 'look' that accompanies it. Ironically, metal fans also tend to be hugely arrogant about the value their music has, which is close to zero for most people. And before anyone starts, I do not rate goth stuff now either, it's equally bollocks! That is ridiculous. A truly uninformed comment. There are a lot of shit metal bands that do things badly, but thats the same for any genre of music. When metal is done well not only is it melodic, but some of the most amazingly technical music you'll get. Dismissing metal as having 'zero value' and 'stereotyped' is poor IMO. Ridiculous. Really? OK, the melody is a moot point, if you like it, that's up to you. But I think we can be more objective on the banality of the lyrics of these bands. Why don't you point me in the direction of a Metallica song that has deep and meaningful lyrics then? I mean, even the names of metal bands tend to be stereotyped, I mean Metallica ffs. Iron Maiden. Slayer. Poison etc. I know I know very little about the genre now, especially how it has progressed over the last 10 years (although a lot of my friends tried to convince me it was quality in the 80s and 90s, none of them are really into it now), so point me to some stuff which isn't about drug taking, war, violence, shagging, or the Occult etc and maybe I'll think differently. Poison aren't even metal. Also Iron Maiden's lyrics generally aren't the sort you expect from a band with such a name - they just thought it was a cool name, and it's a song by them, but again it's hardly serious. As for the Metallica song with deep and meaningful lyrics, I could point you to many a song, but for now you can do with Fade To Black, One, Master Of Puppets and The Unforgiven. So One is about war and Master Of Puppets is about drugs, but you asked for deep and meaningful so you've got it. You're kind of contradicting yourself by requesting Metal with deep and meaningful lyrics, but nothing to do with war and drugs, which can be issues in deep and meaningful music. Master Of Puppets is not about how awesome drugs are, more how they become the "master" of someone, hence the metaphorical title. Now for the "stuff which isn't about drug taking, war, violence, shagging, or the Occult etc", then there's always a sub-genre called Power Metal, which is generally very lighthearted. Often the likes of Lord Of The Rings comes into the lyrics. What's a nice Christian boy like you doing listening to this DEVIL'S MUSIC? Well you see, I ignored the foolish people who label it "music of the devil" and listen to music I like, being metal. Simple really.

It's not so much that I think it's all thrash metal or cock rock, just that it's all noisy shit. I hate the fact it is so hackneyed and cliched. The guitars are used to ridiculous excess, killing the melody in the process, and the lyrics are banal and almost always stereotyped (can't think of a single good lyrical song). Then there's the utterly ridiculous 'look' that accompanies it. Ironically, metal fans also tend to be hugely arrogant about the value their music has, which is close to zero for most people. And before anyone starts, I do not rate goth stuff now either, it's equally bollocks! That is ridiculous. A truly uninformed comment. There are a lot of shit metal bands that do things badly, but thats the same for any genre of music. When metal is done well not only is it melodic, but some of the most amazingly technical music you'll get. Dismissing metal as having 'zero value' and 'stereotyped' is poor IMO. Ridiculous. Really? OK, the melody is a moot point, if you like it, that's up to you. But I think we can be more objective on the banality of the lyrics of these bands. Why don't you point me in the direction of a Metallica song that has deep and meaningful lyrics then? I mean, even the names of metal bands tend to be stereotyped, I mean Metallica ffs. Iron Maiden. Slayer. Poison etc. I know I know very little about the genre now, especially how it has progressed over the last 10 years (although a lot of my friends tried to convince me it was quality in the 80s and 90s, none of them are really into it now), so point me to some stuff which isn't about drug taking, war, violence, shagging, or the Occult etc and maybe I'll think differently. Poison aren't even metal. Also Iron Maiden's lyrics generally aren't the sort you expect from a band with such a name - they just thought it was a cool name, and it's a song by them, but again it's hardly serious. As for the Metallica song with deep and meaningful lyrics, I could point you to many a song, but for now you can do with Fade To Black, One, Master Of Puppets and The Unforgiven. So One is about war and Master Of Puppets is about drugs, but you asked for deep and meaningful so you've got it. You're kind of contradicting yourself by requesting Metal with deep and meaningful lyrics, but nothing to do with war and drugs, which can be issues in deep and meaningful music. Master Of Puppets is not about how awesome drugs are, more how they become the "master" of someone, hence the metaphorical title. Now for the "stuff which isn't about drug taking, war, violence, shagging, or the Occult etc", then there's always a sub-genre called Power Metal, which is generally very lighthearted. Often the likes of Lord Of The Rings comes into the lyrics.

In Flames - Bullet Ride

That's nonsense. Heavy Metal, Metalcore & Nu-Metal are three completely separate genres. That'd be like me coming on here and saying 'well, rock music is a VERY DIVERSE genre, really.' Erm, what are you trying to say? Metalcore is a type of metal. Nu-metal isn't, but is often considred metal by people who don't know much about metal, and is often the music people think of when they call it "noisy shit". Heavy metal tends to be used as just a general term for metal tbh, even if that is incorrect. Metal is a genre of music, just like rock, classical, jazz etc are. Metalcore is a sub-genre. Renton I can't assume you know much about the genre from your responses. As for Metallica, Ride The Lightning is their best album imo. Load/Reload/St Anger all have good songs, but aren't a shade on their 80s stuff. Black album is decent but not the best.

Wouldn't necessarily agree with the last sentence, but there's a lot more to metal than people unfamiliar with the genre would give it credit for. Same way that I know bog-all about rap/hip-hop/whatever, so a lot of it sounds fairly similar or derivative to my ears, but I'm sure there's plenty of innovation and sub-genrefication going on there too. I just have no particular desire to educate myself about it. Hmmm, well admittedly metal is probably the genre of music I listen to most, and there are the ocassional genres I never listen to, so maybe I can;t really judge. But I'd have to say the range from technique, vocals etc is huge. Also metal as a whole takes influence from every other genre of music. Sometimes it works out terribly, I admit. Rap-metal for example. As the initial impression people get of it though, I can easily prove them wrong, though that won't suggest they'd like it. You're right, there are hundreds of different subgenre's, some of which are similar but many of which are so different they have little in common. And the level of creativity, technical ability, vocals and the like is great, but to the unenlightened like Gemmill/Renton they think all metal is thrash metal or "cock rock" type stuff. But each to their own! Cock rock... argh, can't stand that stuff tbh. Also find thrash metal gets boring quickly too, though to many non-listeners I'm sure that just means some druggie bashing his drum kit with a club, and the vocalist belching down the microphone without any tune.

Audioslave - Out Of Exile

Sonata Arctica - Broken

Interpol - Take You On A Cruise

Wouldn't necessarily agree with the last sentence, but there's a lot more to metal than people unfamiliar with the genre would give it credit for. Same way that I know bog-all about rap/hip-hop/whatever, so a lot of it sounds fairly similar or derivative to my ears, but I'm sure there's plenty of innovation and sub-genrefication going on there too. I just have no particular desire to educate myself about it. Hmmm, well admittedly metal is probably the genre of music I listen to most, and there are the ocassional genres I never listen to, so maybe I can;t really judge. But I'd have to say the range from technique, vocals etc is huge. Also metal as a whole takes influence from every other genre of music. Sometimes it works out terribly, I admit. Rap-metal for example. As the initial impression people get of it though, I can easily prove them wrong, though that won't suggest they'd like it.

Btw, you can't really call heavy metal a tried cliche unless you've listened to all the different sub-genres of it (and there's many). It's evolving all the time, even if a lot of the modern stuff in nu-metal and now metalcore is cack. Most diverse musical genre by a long way tbh.

I love their music (well pre-black album anyway), but Hetfield and Ulrich for example are twats. As a Zelda fan, I'm tempted to give Metalinka a try. Oh and Trivium are not pish but they shouldn't keep changing. Their new album is a rip-off of old Metallica, so chances are if you like Metallica you probably wouldn;t like it.

Blind Guardian - Mirror Mirror

Children Of Bodom - Are You Dead Yet?

I love Metallica saw them on the snake pit tour. I prefer their earlier stuff, master of puppets and ride the lightening being my favourite albums. So what metal did you have in mind then? Im patial to it but dislike the thrash stuff. Strange seeing as your favourite Metallica albums are from the thrash era. Good recent metal bands (with "clean" vocals - no grunts etc) I recommend, are Sonata Arctica, Blind Guardian, Kamelot, Dragonforce and Nightwish.

Blind Guardian - Another Stranger Me

Seeing as you like the great Metallica, might I tempt you with a bit of metal? By the way which era do you prefer - before or after the lead singer Hetfield's voice broke (a little late mind)?

Okay, I did mean it's the parents' decision, provided the child likes the school and wants to go there. If they are sent there against their own will, but the parents think it's right, then that is wrong.

To be honest, I am against the idea of faith schools as such, though simply a church school for example I do support. I was only saying it's the parents' decision, so it should be left entirely up to them whether they want their child to go there, and it's their right to if they feel it would help. As a Christian I would want people to become Christian simply because I feel it is the true religion, though I would never attempt to convert people, so I dislike the way people are indoctrinated, in such a way. However if they are taught lightly about the specific religion from an early age, say at church, they can learn about the religion, then when they are old enough to think for themselves they may do so. That has been my way of going about things, and the fact I haven't had a strict Christian upbringing has no doubt been a good thing. For the second point, I mentioned both science and religion, because of Bizza's comment that religion and school should be kept seperate. I was a bit unsure as to what it exactly meant. Did it mean people cannot even have their own religious unions, where people go at wish? Or did it simply mean there should be no indoctrination? But anyway, there could be religious followers in school, whose religion is kept seperate, but are taught views which they may disagree with. Not that evolution should not be taught in schools, but this could annoy them. For example, I used to go to a school which was very non-religious, and we had the odd assembly or lesson with the teacher saying "I know there could be some Christians here, but as far as I'm concerned this is what is true...", which was not nice to hear as there was no alternative theory spoken out.

As has already been said, it's the parents' decisions to send their child to that school, and if they think that's going to benefit them because they want them to grow up under the specific religion, then so be it. In my local area there's Christian schools, which aren't much different to standard schools. They aren't run by any Christian organisations, just run on Christian principles. These are fine surely. Also, despite what people may say about evolution being proven, people still may not agree with it, and that is taught in schools but that is deemed fine, whereas religion should have no place in schools?

In Flames - Ordinary Story

Does Parker strike you all as a great captain?

We are too good to go down, but we won't get very far with Roeder in charge. Mid-table medicocrity.