David Kelly

I thought even them lot would have better taste than that. I should have known better.

Fuck me. Really sad. Top bloke. RIP

Can't believe with all of the luck those twats get they've got the nerve to whinge about a decision not going their way for once. It's not as if they still get plenty of others. Rooney and Fabio were both at least as deserving of red cards as Jonas and I still have no idea why Ben Arfa was booked. But fuck them anyway, cracking performance and fully merited result which any team would be happy to get. The work rate of the team now is phenomenal.

take it you didn't see the Blackburn game then?

If Colos out I'd be quite happy to bet my entire paddy power balance on them to win. Saylor and Perch would struggle badly against most teams tbh but a quality team will twat us.

He strikes me as a typical African type player. Good skill on the ball in terms of dribbling ability but without the composure or technical quality to make propper use of it. We've seen a very dfferent type of player coming to the premiership recently (Essien, Tiote, Song, Samba) who are a lot more tenchnically and tactically sound. Gervinho is more like a through back to a Camara or even Lua Lua type player. They can do something amazing but lack totally in consistancy so become unreliable. They might light up the fans every now and then but eventually you going to want a player who you know will do a job week in week out (especially when you're a club playing in Europe). I agree with Stevie that he along with Arteta, Benayoun & Santos are panic buys (I would add Mertesacker but I just think Wenger is incapable of spotting a quality centreback these days). None of them are really good enough to hold down positions in a top team (Arteta might be the exception to that but he's a definite drop in standard to Fabragas and Nasri).

Captain of his club at such an early age suggests he might have something about him.

I sort of agree but on the other hand I was under the impression that he usually does much better at reserve level. He has been getting call-ups to the bench and he's had injuries at really unfortunate times. Like said above, he's only 19 and one bad result/performance doesn't make him a false hope. I don't think he's done too badly when he has had a chance in the first team, I'm just worried about the fact he's not getting many chances. That to me suggests the management team think somethings missing. First team have been doing well and we've no Carling Cup/Europa League or whatever to play him in. He looked like he'd be getting a consistent run of sub appearances before his hand injury. Possibly but when you consider Smith was on the bench on Saturday you have to wonder why he wasn't.

Well given how much of our £35m from Carroll was spent on free transfers I'm not sure I'd be happy spending all the money we'll get from the sale of Tiote on signed Brown for free

I sort of agree but on the other hand I was under the impression that he usually does much better at reserve level. He has been getting call-ups to the bench and he's had injuries at really unfortunate times. Like said above, he's only 19 and one bad result/performance doesn't make him a false hope. I don't think he's done too badly when he has had a chance in the first team, I'm just worried about the fact he's not getting many chances. That to me suggests the management team think somethings missing.

Both are true (as is the fact that he's missed a fair bit of time with injuries) but you tend to find that if a player is going to be a top class international (which is what the sugestions seem to have been when he's talked about as having been courted by Madrid, Milan and was is Chelsea that they said were interested also?) then he will already be starting to perform in the first team at this age. Of course this isn't always true and even then it doesn't mean he won't make it as a decent player for us. It's just the hope that we had a future world class player is definitely looking unlikely.

Vukic is looking the most worrying. We get told everytime he's mentioned how he was scouted by Madrid and Milan and yet he's making no impact whatsoever. I know we've been doing well so it's obviously going to be tough for him to break into the team and I know he's still young but if he was ever going to be real top class I think we would have seen more of him by now. That's not to say he can't still go on to be a decent player for us but I think the likelyhood of him being a real star is getting smaller and smaller.

Watching that game last night it was very apparent that we're still a decent way behind spurs (Modric, Bale, Lennon, Van Der Vaart, Adebayor is a very strong attack with Defoe and Pavelachenko in reserve too) but Villa look very poor with only Bent and Agbonlaghor looking like anything at all. Clearly we don't have as good teams or squads as Citeh/Manure/Chelski/Arse/The Yids or the bin dippers and it would take a massive injury crisis from those teams (perhaps Arsenal would have to lose the least number of players for us to have a chance of finishing above them (RVP might enough)) but there's no reason at all to think we can't finish seventh. Villa and QPR would have to make up ten points on us already (villa have Manure, Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal to play in December and QPR have Liverpool, Man U and Arsenal) so that's going to take some doing. But a lot will depend on January. If we sell Tiote and/or Colo we will really struggle. If we bring in a new striker and centreback/fullback (Miaga and Peiters for example) I think we would only have ourselves to blame if we couln't manage it.

I've not read through this thread so I don't know what the general opinion is but I was pretty happy with how we played on Saturday. Appart from Raylor having a mare I thought we stood up well and while it was backs to the wall for a lot of the first half the second was a different story and we caused them a lot of problems. It's a shame Tiote wasn't playing as he could have made it a lot closer. It was the best game I've seen Ben Arfa play for us and a lot more promising given how bad he was against Blackburn. The only real complaint I have is that I can't understand why we persisted with SAmeobi on the right for so long. It's obvious that his right is merely a standing foot and I thought he really struggled. Swapping him and Jonas over could have given us much better balance. Overall though, I think should come out of this with plenty of confidence to go to old trafford next week and after watching chelski yesterday I thing we should be looking to beat them.

Never looked like he was going to make it to me like. Seems a bit surprising this has gone through when he can't seem to get a game for them though.

Bell end doesn't come close to describing this bloke. If we won ten champions leagues in a row it wouldn't change how much I hate this cunt. He is a fucking abortion of a man.

Personally I'm pissed off at the needless affront to tradition. I could accept it if their was a benefit to the club but I would still be pissed off. I can't accept it in this case because it's being done soley to benefit a fat cunt. Your point about moving a stadium being a bigger affront is valid but you have to accept that the pain people have felt and would feel about that is eased by the benefit it brings to their club and in our case we don't have any benefit and that is what makes this different and more hurtful. I agree and it looks like we will be playing with SD on the shirts next year. I can't understand how or why they would give shirt sponsorship away for free but it is possible! On the upside, the calculatedness of events suggests they will bring in a striker in January. Instead of it being positioned as use of the Carroll money, they will make reference to this but we're all used to the bullshit and we do need another striker. I hope so but fear it actually makes the signing of a new striker less likey. When they don't get this £8m=£10m in they have already set up their excuse for not spending and they go on to blame it on us for kicking up a storm and frightening off investment.

Personally I'm pissed off at the needless affront to tradition. I could accept it if their was a benefit to the club but I would still be pissed off. I can't accept it in this case because it's being done soley to benefit a fat cunt. Your point about moving a stadium being a bigger affront is valid but you have to accept that the pain people have felt and would feel about that is eased by the benefit it brings to their club and in our case we don't have any benefit and that is what makes this different and more hurtful.

Surely it's more of an affront to tradition because it's been done purely to benefit the owner and his prime concern rather the football club? Clubs have moved grounds throughout the history of the sport to benefit the club. Going back to when shirt sponsorship first came about (i'm far too young to remember this) fans probably weren't too happy with the defacing of the club strip with gaudy advertising but they accepted it because it brought in additional revenue to the club which helped it survive/grow/prosper. If it had been used by club owners just to advertise their other business without any payment to the club (a scenario which we are rapidly heading towards) there would have been a similar outcry. Clubs have used and will continue to use whatever means are at their disposal to increase revenue which is fine (as long as it doesn't effect the fans ability to enjoy their team and sport) but to do its simplly for the owners benefit is something else entirely.

I was listening to the football phone in on Radio Newcastle last night and one of the guests (albeit a Makem) made a point which fits this perfectly. He said that he’d long since given up any hope of the scum winning a trophy in his lifetime. He was challenged on this by the presenter who (rightly) pointed out that if Birmingham could win a cup there’s no reason why them or Newcastle couldn’t, and he should always have hope. His answer was that winning anything wasn’t the reason he supported the unwashed. He supports them because they are part of where he’s from. They’re tied into the ‘city’ and the people much more than just a football team. They’re part of what makes the city the city. If you wanted to follow a team for them to win something then Sunderland or Newcastle aren’t the teams you would follow. This is the point that the fat cunt (and it seems a few on here) will never understand.

The boke is a cunt of the highest order who has repeatedly shown no respect to any of us and is doing nothing to help this club at all. All of his actions are nothing more than an attepmt to benefit his real interest which is Sports Direct. I would say he doesn't care at all if those actions harm us in any way but I actually think he enjoys is when he can do something to his benefit which also pisses us off. I still can't really see any advantage to him in doing this. If he wants to sell the naming rights, causing a shit storm before hand surely can't help him find a buyer in any way. And if he's doing it soley to advertise Sports Direct, the negative publicity must certainly outweigh the positive. I can't understand what he hopes to gain from this other than to antagonise us further.

Can't understand how anyone could turn their noses up at having him back. He'd improve our squad without doubt. Of course I wouldn't give them back anything like what we got for him and after he basically accused Ashley of forcing him out it could pretty much never happen. But while we have players such as Best, Shola and Lovenkrands in the team how anyone could say they wouldn't take back is truly beyond me.

Definitely, but I just worry about the strength in depth especially after losing so many from midfield. With the international break and the next 2 matches away in Manchester, those players wouldn't be considered for a midfield role for a few weeks anyway. By which time we should have Cabaye back. Bit concerned about Tiote as he has stayed with us rather than going off with the Ivory Coast. Gosling did alright yesterday, made the most tackles anyway. Wasn't overly impressed with Gosling although perhaps he was playing to orders as he was more or less an extra centre-half most of the time. I thought he was turd too. The people sat behind us were saying he was turd (they said Guthrie was too like so they're talking shite on that score)...but when you look at the stats, CG is spot on that Gosling did well in tackling, which is what we needed second half, someone breaking up their play in front of our back 4. I thought he did ok, nothing special but ok. You have to be careful not to judge him too harshly when you consider he was being brought into a midfield that only had one of our regular four and that we had Best in front of that midfield doing nothing but breaking down our attacks by constantly getting caught unecessarily offside or not being able to control the ball. The lad needs a chance to come in and play in a settled midfield alongside Tiote or Caybaye. Then we should be able to see his true worth.

The best centre back I've seen at NUFC. Woody for me tbh, one of the best players in Black and White. Imagine those two eh? Aye Woody was class but he didn't play one whole season due to his injury proneness. Colo has done significantly more for the club already. Was saying this on Saturday. Woodgate was probably a better player overall but Colo is much more reliable in that he doesn't just play the odd game. He's shown a hell of a lot of character too, not because he stayed after relegation as I don't think we would have been fighting people off for him then (certainly not at any reasonable price) but for the way he turned his form around. After the first couple of games of the relegation season he was awful and seen by most as a joke. After the first couple of games of the promotion season (he started that season still looking shakey) he's been one of most consistanly good performers. Even after promotion there were still a lot of doubters within our own ranks (personally I was always pretty confident he'd be able to keep it going in the premier league) and he was still being looked at as a comic fighure by outsiders. Now though I dont think anyone can doubt he's a top performer and he seems to be reguarly getting praise from pundits. It's now imperative that we get him on a new deal. He's pretty much irreplaceable for us and other teams will have taken note of his class and consistancy. I'd be devestated if we lost him.

I'm usually so filled with anger towards him that spelling his name incorrectly is intentional Whist I'm in this good mood towards Guthrie I will still add that I thought Best was fucking wank again yesterday. We couldn't get anything going attack wise in the second half with his constant inability to stay onside. Were it not fir Colo's immense performance at the back he could have cost us the points.